Text of TeleFinder Chat from Tuesday, March 3, 1998 11 AM PST.
In attendance:
From Spider Island: Rusty Tucker,
Sysops: eric, mikael fredriksson, Jim Smith, Bill Gram-Reefer, Bob Nunn, Daryl Hansen, Michael Davidson, Bob Wright, Rick Palmer, Juan Jose Tarud, Jim Leary
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Bill Gram-Reefer: <<joined the chat>>
Bob Nunn: <<joined the chat>>
Bill Gram-Reefer: grrr
Rusty Tucker: <<joined the chat>>
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Rusty Tucker: <<joined the chat>>
Rusty Tucker: hola!
Rusty Tucker: There we go!
Jim Smith: Hi
Bob Nunn: Hey
eric: <<left the chat>>
Rusty Tucker: c-ya
mikael fredriksson: hi!
Rusty Tucker: Something is wrong with my script..
Rusty Tucker: doesn't want to write to the file..
Rusty Tucker: Once it works, the Chat log will be saved as HTML
Bob Nunn: Won't that be nice!
Daryl Hansen: <<joined the chat>>
Rusty Tucker: Welcome to the chat Daryl Hansen!
Daryl Hansen: I made it!
Rusty Tucker: my 'bot says hi
Daryl Hansen: Thanks RT, latest TF/User Rocks!
Rusty Tucker: With a little more work, the script may be able to update the chat web site too.
Rusty Tucker: I guess I should start at the beginning :)
Daryl Hansen: Okay
Daryl Hansen: Are you talking Web CHAT?!
Rusty Tucker: For those who saw the notes from Friday's chat, we talked about TF User extensions.
Rusty Tucker: Those extensions can either be Applescripts or programs. Other script lang. should work too.
Rusty Tucker: Anyway, the first extensions are TeleFinder Chat extensions, for the client side.
Rusty Tucker: The test extension I'm running now Registers as a chat filter with TF User.
Rusty Tucker: After that TF User starts sending it events when things happen in the chat room.
Rusty Tucker: There are events for Entering, Leaving, Saying, Hearing, Open and Close.
Rusty Tucker: Everything you see in the room, the Extension sees as an event.
Rusty Tucker: I've got the test Extension or "bot" to say the things I usually sat, like "hola" when I open the room
Rusty Tucker: I've also got it set to "ignore" anything a user named "logger" says.
Rusty Tucker: There's another set of events for Instant Messages
Rusty Tucker: You can use those to auto-respond and ignore as well
Rusty Tucker: With some work Bob can write a "Zelda" bot
Rusty Tucker: I'm trying to make one work that will log the Chat's as HTML directly..
Rusty Tucker: but it's giving me some problems.
Bob Nunn: Now if I could just have her charge to read the fortunes..;-)
Daryl Hansen: That just might work on Maui
Rusty Tucker: Daniel O is going to look into writing a gateway to link 2 servers chat rooms using the events.
Daryl Hansen: Just do it.
Bill Gram-Reefer: this is your mind on drugs.....this is your mind on TeleFinder!
Michael Davidson: <<joined the chat>>
Rusty Tucker: Welcome to the chat Michael Davidson!
Rusty Tucker: It will be interesting to see what kind of creativity comes out of this.
Michael Davidson: Why so formal Rusty? Is it a bot?
Rusty Tucker: :) its a bot
Michael Davidson: If so, you have one too many spaces b/w the and chat
Rusty Tucker: he doesn't know how to parse names yet
Michael Davidson: cooooool :)
Bill Gram-Reefer: it's the drugs
Bob Nunn: I knew something was up. Spelling and grammar have improved.
Michael Davidson: the bot's a little spacey :)
Rusty Tucker: It would be cool if someone figured out how to spell check and correct using the bot.
Daryl Hansen: I am going to make a simple Web Chat with SPML. All I need is a refresh tag and a .dat file :)
Michael Davidson: Are there any scriptable dictionaries out there?
Daryl Hansen: Is there a way to clear a dat file every so often?
Rusty Tucker: SPML won't let you delete. You'll need to setup a script to do it.
Bob Nunn: They would need my user dictionary which is ruined for any other uses. You can't imagine how many abbreviations we use, not to mention what most would consider technical terms.
Michael Davidson: Most dictionaries allow user added dictionary of words
Rusty Tucker: On another subject..
Rusty Tucker: I'm trying to track down this problem of "incomplete" trimming...
Rusty Tucker: the one that seems to happen in newsgroups?
Bob Nunn: The old bbs program I ran (CNET on the Amiga) had the user dictionary in the users "pub" area. I wish I still had a copy of it. I would think their would be a "source file" for the editor and spell checker from one of the groups.
Michael Davidson: And this is independent of OAT, right RT? (I think we determined this last time)
Rusty Tucker: I don't know.
Bob Nunn: I just rebuilt mine and am watching it.
Michael Davidson: Does it mess up the index file ; that is, what do you mean by incomplete
Rusty Tucker: I see OAT mentioned with the problem all the time
Rusty Tucker: no, the index file seems correct, its just that some of the message files that should have been deleted are not.
Rusty Tucker: As far as I can tell, Mail Server's trimming code is correct.
Michael Davidson: So, the index file says there deleted, but the files are not removed from the folder, correct?
Bob Nunn: I had the problem before I ran OAT though. Haven't checked it since using newer versions of TF though.
Michael Davidson: there= they're
Rusty Tucker: They are deleted from the Index, not the folder.
Bob Wright: <<joined the chat>>
Rusty Tucker: Welcome to the chat Bob Wright!
Rusty Tucker: They should be deleted from both.
Bob Wright: greetings
Bob Nunn: What about attachments?
Rusty Tucker: Attachments get trimmed too.
Michael Davidson: Are the non-deleted files consecutive, or is it random
Bob Nunn: I have a hunch that it might be OAT repair topic. That is why I rebuilt and am watching it now.
Bob Wright: RT: I still don't understand why I am getting wrong dates in my posts and emails when my clock is set to the correct time and date?!?!
Daryl Hansen: I realize that Suzie isn't top priority, perhaps sometime in the future we could make Suzie delete and/or move specific files.
Rusty Tucker: I saw a wrong Quoted date, is that what you mean?
Daryl Hansen: Yes my date is retarded as well. It gives everything in Military time. I have the Server Date & time CP set properly
Bob Wright: RT: yep....
Michael Davidson: Daryl, is your time set for your location correct?
Daryl Hansen: Yes.
Daryl Hansen: It does this the the HDS header on web mail.
Michael Davidson: So, we don't know if the trimming problem is OAT related or not.
Bob Nunn: I should know in a week, since I rebuilt and am not planning on running oat's topic repair. If it starts building again I will turn OAT off and see it is still happens.
Bob Wright: RT: of if my machine has the right time, why is it giving the wrong time in the reply quote?
Michael Davidson: Are the non-deleted files consecutive, or is it random, a file here and a file there?
Bob Nunn: Yes
Michael Davidson: Yes, consecutive?
Bob Nunn: Yes both.
Michael Davidson: Has a single person not using OAT had the trimming problem?
Bob Wright: define the trimming problem, I don't use OAT
Michael Davidson: Bob W, exact ly how far off is the time, one hour, one day, etc?
Rusty Tucker: The reply quote comes from the time stamp on the message you are replying too.
Bob Wright: MD: its off by hours and years
Bob Nunn: Check to see how many files are in one of your conference folders. They should match the entries that the topic is trimmed to. If you have 589 files in a topic trimmed to 200 then you have the problem.
Rusty Tucker: If the message you are replying to is dated Feb. 1, then the quote says "you said on Feb. 1"
Bob Wright: RT: so the time is coming from the person's time who sent me an email
Michael Davidson: :), but how far off is it from the time stamp of the mail being replied to
Rusty Tucker: Right, you can see it on the message
Bob Wright: RT: so the time is messed up on THEIR side?
Michael Davidson: Hey RT,just though of something, you could time stamp the "enter the chat" robot
Rusty Tucker: BW _ Yes!
Rusty Tucker: MD - Applescripts have access to the system clock.
Michael Davidson: I'll take a look at my topics and see if I have the problem. I don't use OAT repair
Bob Wright: RT: the header shows 3/3/1998 11:56, but the reply quote shows 3/3/98 12:01. Which came from whom?
Michael Davidson: Yes, so we could say, Rusty entered the chat at 11:05 PM EST
Rusty Tucker: BW - send me the message, is it a TF Email?
Bob Wright: RT: yes, a user sent me a message...in my mailbox list it says 11:56, but when I hit reply it says 12:01
Michael Davidson: That's different BW....the mail is stamped 11:56, it didn't get on your system (by MailServer) till 12:01
Rusty Tucker: Oh!! One is the file's modified date, the other is the message date
Rusty Tucker: Open the message, then you see when it was sent/composed.
Bob Wright: oh, so the one date is from THEIR machine, and the other date is when my server received it?
Rusty Tucker: Its the last time the file was modified.
Michael Davidson: yes, MS puts the time it gets it in the name, but the mail was sent at 11:56
Rusty Tucker: At some point, that is the same as when MS finished putting it in your mailbox.
Michael Davidson: Which means the quoter is working the way you want it to work
Bob Nunn: What causes the abbreviate titles (example: On 3/2/98 3:48 PM, Juan Jose Tarud <Juan_Jose_Taru wrote:)
Rusty Tucker: It can be changed for any number of reasons after that.
Rusty Tucker: That's a parsing bug I need to fix.
Bob Nunn: Is it present in the mail server?
Bob Wright: RT: ok, check this out: I was connecting to SI today, decided not to and hit cancel. It said to wait, I got tired of waiting so I hit apple period a few times. I then changed the setting to connect to my server and when I hit connect, it went back to
Bob Wright: cancel mode....is that a bug?
Rusty Tucker: The quoter get's the name by looking for the @ symbol
Rusty Tucker: BW - yes
Rusty Tucker: BN - just a quoter bug
Bob Wright: I had to quit TF User and relaunch
Bob Nunn: I still have abbrev. headers on some mail return addresses. Not sure why.
Rusty Tucker: ms does the right thing BN
Rusty Tucker: Those are from Topics, the index file doesn't store a full return address.
Michael Davidson: I have the trimming problem, and I don't use OAT
Rusty Tucker: I need to make it like the email, and store the full return address as a resource.
Bob Wright: I still don't know what the trimming problem is ;)
Rusty Tucker: The trimming problem is...
Bob Nunn: Bob W. Check to see how many files are in one of your conference folders. They should match the entries that the topic is trimmed to. If you have 589 files in a topic trimmed to 200 then you have the problem.
Rusty Tucker: when Mail Server (?) trims topics down to size, it seems to miss out on deleting some of the message files, even though it removes them from the topic index.
Rick Palmer: <<joined the chat>>
Rusty Tucker: Welcome to the chat Rick Palmer!
Rick Palmer: Hi guys...
Michael Davidson: Hi Rick!
Bob Wright: ok, I have the trimming problem....I trim to 100, but there are 242 messages in the folder ;)
Rusty Tucker: I was just able to reproduce it here. Its definitely a mail server problem.
Rusty Tucker: I'll take a look at that today
Michael Davidson: Rusty, just preliminary, but mine SEEMS to be consecutive non-deleted files
Rusty Tucker: I should have a new TF User and Server today, they'll work with the Chat Room/Instant Messaging extensions.
Michael Davidson: Well, maybe not, I have a bunch of older files that are accumulating (not being deleted), a few per day
Bob Nunn: RT do you think you ll have time to look at a PowerKey pro pi in the near future?
mikael fredriksson: Any that have had problems to get the HDS plugin 1.0 final to work? when I changed from the pre release to final it started to bomb when someone tries to read their mail
Rusty Tucker: Yes, I promise!
Bob Wright: time for tennis. See ya all Friday.
Bob Wright: <<left the chat>>
Rusty Tucker: c-ya Bob Wright
Rusty Tucker: look ma, no hands :)
Michael Davidson: did you find the Applescript sites useful Rusty?
Bob Nunn: I have the PI final up and it appears to be working okay.
mikael fredriksson: strange..:(
Rusty Tucker: no :(, that site had many dead links
Daryl Hansen: See Ya Later :)
Rusty Tucker: I still have not found a good scripting manual.
Bob Nunn: I will double check when I get in but I paid for it and got it sometime back. Lets hope it is the same 1.0 version.
Michael Davidson: There is an Everything Applescript CD just out
Rusty Tucker: oh? where?
Michael Davidson: I'll have to dig it up, I intend to get it, brb
Bob Nunn: I'd give hard cash for more good examples. You found the same thing I did.
Michael Davidson: But Rusty, the MacScript archive site for searching is very good
Bob Nunn: I am not too good at inventing them, but I borrow with the best of them.
Jim Smith: There is a Mac Scripting mailing list at MACSCRPT@LISTSERV.DARTMOUTH.EDU
Michael Davidson: Yes, Jim, and you can search all those archives and other applescript listserver archives quickly
Michael Davidson: TRY THIS: http://www.isoproductions.com/cd/macscripting/index.html
Michael Davidson: That'll get you the CD
Bill Gram-Reefer: thanks guys. yawn...stretch....nap time. Bye
Bill Gram-Reefer: <<left the chat>>
Rusty Tucker: c-ya Bill Gram-Reefer
Daryl Hansen: <<left the chat>>
Rusty Tucker: c-ya Daryl Hansen
Rusty Tucker: trying to connect there now.
Michael Davidson: Now, RT, you need to cycle your bot through a set of goodbye and hello's
Juan Jose Tarud: <<joined the chat>>
Rusty Tucker: Welcome to the chat Juan Jose Tarud!
Michael Davidson: That is, have your bot go thru a bunch of different greetings randomly
Juan Jose Tarud: Hola!
Michael Davidson: That wasn't really Rusty Juan, he's using a bot
Rick Palmer: what bot are you using?
Rusty Tucker: I make the foundation, someone else can make the house :)
Juan Jose Tarud: rustybot
Rick Palmer: must be new....
Michael Davidson: The new one Rick, RT said he will have it online later today, I think
Bob Nunn: I was kinda hoping you had some blueprints to go with it? ;-)
Rick Palmer: ahh...
Michael Davidson: For chat rooms and IM's
Jim Leary: <<joined the chat>>
Rusty Tucker: Welcome to the chat Jim Leary!
Rusty Tucker: it called "ChatFilter.app"
Michael Davidson: Now we'll never really know if Rusty is with us or not
Bob Nunn: Just watch for the perfect punctuation and spelling??
Michael Davidson: Rusty, does it examine the text of my message too (yet)
Rusty Tucker: this bot doesn't
Michael Davidson: Can we have a "greeting.txt" file that rotates the greeting messages?
Jim Leary: ChatFilter.app??? So we're still discussing where our chats go and how we'll improve them. How many chats are going to be dedicated to this ever pressing issue?
Rusty Tucker: Here's what happens when a user enters the room..
Rusty Tucker: -- U S E R E N T E R S
on Çevent TfAEFecrÈ given Çclass IMFrÈ:fromUser, Çclass MyNmÈ:myName, Çclass ChchÈ:chatChannel
-- this event asks us if we want to say something to the user entering the room
if fromUser is not "logger" then
return "Welcome to the " & gChatRoomName & " chat " & fromUser & "!"
end if
end Çevent TfAEFecrÈ
Jim Leary: How about seeing if the general public of our chat room would like a real challenge?
Rusty Tucker: With more sophisticated scripting you could do much more, including pulling up responses from a file.
Jim Leary: Like how to log user names and downloads from our web sites
Juan Jose Tarud: Rusty, when is the new TF PC version coming out?
Michael Davidson: I could handle the more sophisticated scripting....what version of user do we need?
Rusty Tucker: There will be a new version to come after the next release of TF User.
Jim Leary: So that businesses like ours won't be running our web sites blind, not knowing who is there or what they are taking. Anyone care to tackle that one?
Rusty Tucker: You 'll need the next beta.
Jim Leary: Or haven't we figured out where out chat rooms are going to be located in the next TF Server version. zzzzzz
Rusty Tucker: I'm sorry this isn't interesting to you Jim.
Juan Jose Tarud: The thing is that now PC users are complaining about a better version since the new Mac TF/user
Rusty Tucker: Perhaps we can make the next chat about the web server?
Rusty Tucker: :), it's always that way isn't it JJ? TF is Mac first, so they need to wait for now.
Rusty Tucker: What is it that they are wishing for JJ?
Bob Nunn: Forward buttons.
Michael Davidson: <<left the chat>>
Rusty Tucker: c-ya Michael Davidson
Juan Jose Tarud: I don't care about PC's or anything related...but most of the business is there :-)
Rusty Tucker: :), its on the list!
Jim Leary: Well, other than these Tues and Friday chats on SI, I haven't seen any chat rooms on any TF run BBS in use. That's what makes me wonder why 2 chats are dedicated to something that is rarely used. I'd rather chat about solutions that can help create a more efficient server
Michael Davidson: <<joined the chat>>
Rusty Tucker: Welcome to the chat Michael Davidson!
Juan Jose Tarud: they want the autosaving feature for e.mails
Jim Leary: and possible make businesses that use TF more secure
Juan Jose Tarud: something like the out basket on the user's HD that we were talking about the other day
Jim Leary: Good night zzzzz
Jim Leary: <<left the chat>>
Rusty Tucker: c-ya Jim Leary
Rusty Tucker: Jim, why don't you propose a subject, and we'll discuss it next time?
Jim Leary: <<joined the chat>>
Rusty Tucker: Welcome to the chat Jim Leary!
Rusty Tucker: Jim, why don't you propose a subject, and we'll discuss it next time?
Lawrence, Kan.: <<joined the chat>>
Rusty Tucker: Welcome to the chat Lawrence, Kan.!
Lawrence, Kan.: <<left the chat>>
Rusty Tucker: c-ya Lawrence, Kan.
Michael Davidson: Is that you Rick, Lawrence?
Rick Palmer: Lawrence?
Juan Jose Tarud: Rusty, I have a stupid question for you...but I need an answer
Rick Palmer: not me?
Jim Smith: <<left the chat>>
Rusty Tucker: c-ya Jim Smith
Rick Palmer: who is Lawrence Kan
Michael Davidson: Not me, must be another local ?
Rick Palmer: rusty
Rusty Tucker: ga JJ
Juan Jose Tarud: isn't supposed TF via modem to be faster than TCP?
Rick Palmer: Michael have you kept up with Shawna Rosen?
Michael Davidson: Not too much, she did go to work for MacWorks as web master
Michael Davidson: MacWorks in KC.
Rusty Tucker: Only if you have a slow TCP connection.
Jim Leary: I propose that the BBS transfer log is an excellent logging device that should somehow be adapted to work for web sites that use TeleFinder. All I want is to log User NAMES and keep track of their downloads. That's what I want to talk about next time
Juan Jose Tarud: Because from my ISP's modems I have gotten up to 6.0kbps by TCP
Rick Palmer: I saw that was thinking of calling her and begging help
Michael Davidson: For your web site?
Rusty Tucker: maybe its a 56k link?
Rick Palmer: Ya-
Juan Jose Tarud: and by my bbs modems no more that 4.0
Rusty Tucker: both transfers by TeleFinder?
Juan Jose Tarud: nope, I have the same modems on the ISP and on the BBS USR 56K but they don't work at 56K down here...only up to 33.6K
Juan Jose Tarud: Yes, both with TF
Rusty Tucker: the same file in both cases?
Juan Jose Tarud: well, I'm the isp for the BBS...I have an ethernet connection to the router
Juan Jose Tarud: yep....downloading Netscape
Jim Leary: Why is it that wanting a log that keeps track of users coming into a web site and a log of what they take while they are there seem to be so unimportant? It should be basic to set-ups such as TF. Just because it isn't commonplace on the web, does not mean it should not be here in TF
Juan Jose Tarud: the other thing is that it is faster to download from SI with Netscape than with TF too
Jim Leary: If you are going to create such a well designed BBS, then when you extend it to the web, you should extend ALL its features
Jim Leary: why am I the only one that sees that as logical??
Bob Nunn: You can of course use the insert file already to view the file as is. What you want is a database function Jim?
Juan Jose Tarud: ???
Jim Leary: Since the users have to insert their NAME in a box to gain access, why can't that be logged? why is the IP address the only thing available?????
Bob Nunn: Is that right Jim? where it keeps the totals per user? perhaps ranking?
Bob Nunn: Oops. You are talking about the webserver.log functions right?
Jim Leary: Bob, we provide downloads of photos. Thru the BBS we can see who comes on and what they download. With the web site it is not logging this
Bob Nunn: Now I gotcha.
Jim Leary: We of course restrict entry to our clients that already have BBS access but we still need to keep track of how often clients are taking our photos
Jim Leary: I create a monthly stat sheet, using the Transfer Log. I need to do the same for the web site
Bob Nunn: I think that would require a rework of UM but don't let me speak for Rusty. I think he is pondering the problem and has a potential solution that will require some time.???
Rusty Tucker: I'm not sure. Depends on how far you want to take it.
Jim Leary: NOT FAR!!!!
Jim Leary: Just need the user names and downloads THAT'S IT!
Jim Leary: Just like the Transfer Log...Its perfect!
Rusty Tucker: Just logging the user name to a text file is one thing. I thought that Jon Paisley was going to make a plug-in for that?
Jim Leary: I haven't heard from Jon in several weeks.
Rusty Tucker: I remember you saying something about that in one of our chats.
Bob Nunn: Photo Plug In, I am dying for, FTP server would be nice as well. I think they have that on their agenda.
Juan Jose Tarud: <<left the chat>>
Rusty Tucker: c-ya Juan Jose Tarud
Jim Leary: A file transfer log that functions just like the one on the BBS is perfect. It gives you the user name and each file name downloaded
Rusty Tucker: The only problem with putting it in the regular web server.log is that it would mess up the standard reporting tools.
Rusty Tucker: They're all based on the WebStar log format, and that's what TeleFinder writes out in the log file.
Bob Nunn: Make it separate the same as the file transfer log.
Jim Leary: OK how about this for a temporary fix for the user names....
Jim Leary: Hook up something, a plug-in or code or whatever you programming geniuses would use to take the name of the user when they enter it to gain access and put it into a log. That way at least when someone comes on, I can compare it to the IP address and make note of that for future log ins. At least then I know who comes in and how often
Rusty Tucker: Jim, that part already exists.
Rusty Tucker: The web server plug-ins can do that.
Jim Leary: where is the actual USERNAME. All I log is the IP address
Rusty Tucker: It's a variable that a plugin can access.
Jim Leary: How How How... I've been asking this exact question for 2 weeks
Rusty Tucker: asking who?
Rusty Tucker: You just need someone that can write a CGI or Plug-in.
Jim Leary: Also, how do I determine, using the webserver log that a user has downloaded something? what will the webserver log say that tells me something has been downloaded?
Jim Leary: from the web site?
Rusty Tucker: You cannot from the web server log, it is a specific format.
Rusty Tucker: You need to write a plug-in or CGI that will log the transactions.
Rusty Tucker: I think you''ve already asked Jon to do that. At least he's been asking me questions related to that.
Jim Leary: OK so logging user NAMES and downloads ARE available by creating a CGI and/or plug-in to do that? Am I getting this right? because I've been asking for this for a month
Rusty Tucker: It would not be good business for me to jump in and do it. That would alienate 3rd party developers real quick!
Rusty Tucker: That's correct. By a CGI or Plugin
Jim Leary: I bought TF from you Rusty. If I ask you to improve it an dyou have the power and knowledge to do it, then you are simply doing your job
Jim Leary: If you choose to pass it on to 3rd party developers, so be it, but its your choice because its your software
Jim Leary: You are certainly allowed to address client concerns for improving/adapting the software to do a better job for them
Rusty Tucker: Anyone can ask a 3 party to do a job, as you did of Jon.
Jim Leary: I just though going to the creator would be a logical step
Rusty Tucker: Now, he hasn't done it in a timely fashion for you, and now you're close to demanding that I do it.
Rusty Tucker: Have I missed something in that?
Jim Leary: I was so excited when the web space became available. Now that it is up, we have plenty of clients coming in. Our business is based on clients coming in and taking photos. i simply want to know who is there taking what so they don't "walk out the door". You don't understand my sense of urgency?
Jim Leary: Its like opening a store, going out to lunch and leaving the store unattended
Jim Leary: You don't see that???
Rusty Tucker: Yes, I do.
Jim Leary: I demand only that when we pay over $1000 over 3-4 years for a product...that I can ask for help when I need it
Jim Leary: And that a reasonable effort is made to deliver that help
Jim Leary: I haven't gotten that
Rusty Tucker: Yes, you have gotten that help. And I've assisted the programmer you've worked with in adding this customization.
Jim Leary: Well, "people are walking out the door" as we speak if they are choosing to do so. That's the bottom line.
Rusty Tucker: <<left the chat>>
Rusty Tucker: <<joined the chat>>
Rusty Tucker: hola!
Jim Leary: You said there was a way to log USERNAMES right NOW. Why don't you let me know what you mean and how its done. Then I will be receiving the help I desperately need!
Rusty Tucker: I'll talk to Jon, if he's no longer working on this, I'll add it to the Wish list.
Rusty Tucker: You misunderstood, there is a way to write a plug-in or CGI that can.
Jim Leary: I need a temporary fix for now, at least to see who comes in and how often. Can that be accomplished?
Rusty Tucker: For now, you can use SPML to log usernames and addresses in the "dir.spml" template.
Michael Davidson: <<left the chat>>
Rusty Tucker: c-ya Michael Davidson
Rusty Tucker: Or add that logging to your BBS login page
Rick Palmer: could you set up a realm with no password and have them enter there name as they pass
Rusty Tucker: Then you'll have a Map between Username and IP Address.
Rusty Tucker: You can then associate that with the webserver log file information.
Rusty Tucker: You could also use something like the "click-through" sample to capture those names.
Jim Leary: Rusty, I'm not a programmer. What spml text would I place and where? I am not familiar with its use yet, although I have taken a look in hopes of using it to problems like these
Rick Palmer: "associate that with the webserver log file information." I do this sort of thing all the time Jim its not very difficult in Excel or other spread sheet
Rusty Tucker: Treat the file download like an advert.
Jim Leary: I just have not written programs other than HTML, so while your solution is great, it doesn't tell me what to do and where
Rusty Tucker: Have it point to the click through page and have that re-direct to the actual file.
Rick Palmer: bye guys
Rick Palmer: <<left the chat>>
Rusty Tucker: c-ya Rick Palmer
Rusty Tucker: I've gotta run, but lets pick up on this Fri. OK?
Bob Nunn: See Ya. I have the log. Thanks.
Rusty Tucker: Jim, in the meantime, take a look at the clikthru sample and see how that works.
March 3, 1998
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