TeleFinder Chat Log

Text of TeleFinder Chat from Tuesday, February 10, 1998 11 AM PST.

In attendance:

From Spider Island: Rusty Tucker,

Sysops: Jim Smith, Carl Blake, Bob Nunn, ewik, mikael fredriksson, Bob Wright, Donald McHose, Michael Davidson,

Jim Smith: <<joined the chat>>

Carl Blake: <<joined the chat>>

Bob Nunn: <<joined the chat>>

Carl Blake: Hi Bob.

Rusty Tucker: <<joined the chat>>

Bob Nunn: Hello, sorry but I am late for a meeting. Was going to let the log run and hope to catch up later

Rusty Tucker: hola!

Rusty Tucker: brb

Carl Blake: Hola!!

Bob Nunn: If you get a chance go to headgap.com and try out my web bbs interface. Later

Carl Blake: headgap.com

Carl Blake: checking it out now.

ewik: <<joined the chat>>

ewik: hello

Carl Blake: Hey, nice looking site at headgap!!

Carl Blake: Hi ewick

Jim Smith: RT: is the Sysop, file section on SI, can anyone DL from it?

ewik: what's new?

Rusty Tucker: Yes, Jim, the sysop section is open to any one with an account on SI

ewik: is there any way I can use SSL on TF?

Carl Blake: Rusty sounds great as Zarvox.

Jim Smith: Good, I have email from someone wanting to change to TF from FC.

ewik: I have a customer I want to get online with tf for their store but I need SSL for Credit Cards

ewik: would rather use TF then Web*

Rusty Tucker: TeleFinder doesn't have SSL support, but maybe Netscape will change their licensing now

Carl Blake: Why not use the web services out there that already support credit card interface?

mikael fredriksson: <<joined the chat>>

Carl Blake: I have found that it is easy to use some of the systems already in place to process credit cards.

ewik: so there is no aftermarket way to do it?

ewik: Like what? I am looking to see what my options are

Rusty Tucker: I don't think so. I believe that SSL is pretty tightly coupled with low level web server operations.

ewik: hmm

Rusty Tucker: BTW-- the "Mandelbrot JPEG" has a pretty good sized memory leak I'll have an update posted today.

Carl Blake: Very nice web site Bob.

Rusty Tucker: I should have a new 'hit chart' with the actual times listed, rather than -23 -> 0

ewik: I like the hit chart

Carl Blake: is the hit chart some sort of report generator? I have not seen it yet.

Bob Wright: <<joined the chat>>

Rusty Tucker: brb -- phone call

ewik: Carl what where the web services you where talking about?

Rusty Tucker: Hit Chart is a report generator ( www.spiderisland.com/chart.spml )

Carl Blake: Iweb is one of them. Another one is DMR but I do not trust them. But there are some very good services out there that charge a nominal fee to process transactions and all you do is put a link to their site and some other details.

ewik: I need to find some way to do credit cards from the web site. they already have a store but we are putting it online

Donald McHose: <<joined the chat>>

Carl Blake: Seems to be the most asked for feature at this time with web users and business sites.

ewik: yea

Carl Blake: Ahhh the Hit Chart is VERY nice. I use analog to chart my sites and see how they are being used. Analog worked very well with TF but it is NOT something that is online all the time. Gotta run the log through it.

Michael Davidson: <<joined the chat>>

Carl Blake: Rather than trying to do all the SSL stuff yourself using some of the guys that already do it and pay them the small monthly fee seems to be the easiest route.

ewik: I will look into the SSL from others

Carl Blake: Apache is the web server we use for the high end stuff.

Donald McHose: CB:What is high end stuff?

ewik: yea but I am setting it up sot hat they will be running it so it needs to be mac like

Michael Davidson: (stuff not worthy of TF Server)

Donald McHose: :-)

ewik: tf will work good for them does everything they need except for SSL

Carl Blake: I gotta admit that TF is VERY powerful in the web category. I set up a system that is taking over 5 hits day and running a mail server for over 450 people. I was impressed with the way it ran on the machine I built.

Donald McHose: Q: Anybody using the PortMaster3

Carl Blake: I use the Portmasters.

ewik: what is portmaster?

Carl Blake: Just that some sites can take many many more hits a day and I run those off my large SUN UNIX boxes and Apache has lots of features we need for high end use.

Donald McHose: Any problems conf. with Macs? I am looking at MacRadius which is buy the way looking for a new vendor.CB: Thanx

Carl Blake: Livingston Portmaster. It is a box that you connect modems to and them perform dial in access to the net or a local network.

Michael Davidson: PPP access CB??

Michael Davidson: or ARA or what?

Carl Blake: No problem at all with Macs. We set them up everyday.

Donald McHose: The 3 unit is a all in one box.That is Great news.

Donald McHose: MD:ppp access

Carl Blake: Yep, the 3 unit very cool. All in one means a lot of headaches gone but you need a digital connection and some cities do not have them.

Carl Blake: Yes, PPP access.

Carl Blake: No ARA.

Carl Blake: One thing I have a problem with is that the Portmaster does not do AppleTalk. They have talked about it but have never done it.

Donald McHose: Well what do you use to configure them? Telnet?

Michael Davidson: ARA 3.0 can now work with PPP

Carl Blake: Mac Radius matches Radius standards. All you gotta do is point the Portmaster radius option to the IP of your mac and your on. However, up to about 200 users the internal authentication is great.

Donald McHose: CB: Thanx

Carl Blake: Personally I use two things. NCSA telnet works fine. But Nifty telnet is a little better. However, we use a little Sharp Wizard to configure them all now. Just run a script and the darn thing is configured.

Carl Blake: I did not know that about ARA. In fact I need to use that right now and I am going to look into that.

Carl Blake: I have installed many portmasters. The last ISP I built have over 700 incoming nodes.

Donald McHose: Taking NOTES ;-) We are starting with 48

Donald McHose: Nodes

Rusty Tucker: CB ? Nodes in this case being remote networks?

Carl Blake: Great. Do not start up all the phone lines at once unless you already have a number of users at least (50)

Rusty Tucker: Or Single Users on a PPP connection?

Carl Blake: uh, looking back..

Donald McHose: Grunt! Can't cut -n -paste with word on this PC thing!

Carl Blake: Yes, single users on PPP connection. There were some 30 remote networks as well.

Carl Blake: LOL

Carl Blake: the network spanned 3300 miles and over 3 states.

Carl Blake: To get started as a dial in isp it is very important to watch costs.

Carl Blake: a 10 to 1 user ratio for some reason mathematically works out to near perfect.

Rusty Tucker: User to dial port

Donald McHose: I was wondering about that formula

Carl Blake: AOL for instance has a 175,000 to one ratio which is why they are so pathetic.

Carl Blake: Correct, user to dial in port.

Rusty Tucker: Perfect for making money or getting online ? :)

Carl Blake: Uh, I look at it from the online side.

Donald McHose: Good night!And now I pay more for less on AOL !

Rusty Tucker: I think CompuServe used to go by 1000:1 in the pre-internet days

ewik: gotta go

ewik: <<left the chat>>

Carl Blake: Yes, I think Compuserve did at that. I worked for AOL for some 6 years in the Mac comm forum.

Rusty Tucker: It depends on how active the user base is. AOL and CIS have a lot of deadwood that hardly ever login.

Michael Davidson: what was your handle Carl on AOL

Donald McHose: Rusty I hope you are capturing this

Rusty Tucker: ( kinda like me and the health-club :)

Carl Blake: Core2

Rusty Tucker: yes, I've' got a log

Carl Blake: lol...my health club is RIGHT under my office and I never seem to there unless the elevator goes there.

Michael Davidson: somebody needs to create a Virtual Health Club

Bob Wright: I am the club tennis champ at my health club :-)

Carl Blake: See, the neat thing about dial in and making money is to make sure you are not paying out the big bucks every month to the phone company for lines that are not being used and also not to piss off your user base with busy signals.

Rusty Tucker: Nice little tightrope to work. Bankruptcy lies on either side :)

Carl Blake: Also, make SURE you have the phone company set your lines up to "Ring No answer hunt" and make it a circular hunt. They NEVER tell you that you can do this. Make sure you ask.

Bob Wright: Does anyone have the URL handy for getting the update for 8.0?

Carl Blake: Only for the first 5 months.

Rusty Tucker: Don is setting up a system for his school I think, not as a public ISP? Is that right Don?

Donald McHose: WEEElll

Carl Blake: If you ask for 3 months up front for each customer. The 6 month starts doubling your checks coming in.

Donald McHose: The County says

Donald McHose: Get off our Site!

Carl Blake: I set up a few schools too.

Donald McHose: We are in discussion with leaving the server on right now and going public

Donald McHose: with another setup

Donald McHose: Familynet.net

Bob Wright: schools are so blurred with misconceptions about the internet that they make decisions based on paranoia :/

Carl Blake: Problem is that the public is competing with private unless there is no private system.

Donald McHose: Yes they said that no student will have e-mail

Michael Davidson: That, Bob, is correct. Unfortunately

Carl Blake: Many schools have tried that stance.

Carl Blake: Funny to watch them crash and burn after about 6 months.

Donald McHose: They have also deemed that they will serve all web pages on their server in the district

Bob Wright: www.n2mail.com is FREE email for students

Donald McHose: We will be the match ;-)

Carl Blake: I donate a LOT of time to schools to set them up for all kinds of stuff.

Carl Blake: Yep.

Bob Wright: With the Universal Service Fund, most schools are going to be well on their way to being connected now :)

Donald McHose: Gots to run for another meeting.Will talk to ya on Fri.Thanx all

Carl Blake: Just takes time to get the weirdoes out of the way that want to control it all.

Donald McHose: <<left the chat>>

Michael Davidson: Connected Bob, but that is all....the incompetence in public schools about computers is staggering

Bob Wright: Carl: yep, most of those who want to control it are sitting in City Council :-/

Carl Blake: Yes, that fund is going to help but the REAL problem is that the tech folks at these schools do not know much or even what to ask for let alone making it all work.

Bob Wright: Michael: no, not just connected, but also services!

Carl Blake: AMEN!!!!!!!! MD!!! The man gets a $10.00 cigar.

Michael Davidson: Can't get em out of the way Carl, its government bureaucracy education

Carl Blake: With respect to the schools here in Iowa you got tech coordinators that do not know the first thing.

Carl Blake: I am working on a unique way to stop this sort of stuff.

Bob Wright: I have bosses here that have not a CLUE about technology and its sad :/

Carl Blake: I wrote a piece of legislation that is attached to the Technology Funding bill here in Iowa.

Bob Wright: brb...phone

Carl Blake: It says that to get ANY tech money this year that you will have someone on STAFF that has at least 3 years proven experience to do the job AND the schools must go back and evaluate existing tech people. I lobbied all last week and it passed committee and is now in the full house.

Michael Davidson: Good luck Carl. Schools get money for lots and lots of hardware, but it all just sits there idle.

Carl Blake: The cool thing is we are moving TF systems into schools rather than First Class. More every month.

Carl Blake: We gotta keep a hot fire under Rusty so he keeps working on it to give us new features.

Rusty Tucker: :) -- I like that!

Michael Davidson: That is great Carl about TF. If TF had better mail handling, I think that it is the best solution for all schools.

Michael Davidson: and likewise for businesses

Carl Blake: Yes, the mail client leaves much to be desired. HOWEVER, after Rusty had bonked me on the head with it.

Michael Davidson: and given FC's costs and poor record, TF could reign as king

Carl Blake: I understand that to simply stick Eudora on the machine and then use that solves the issues.

Bob Wright: bak

Carl Blake: A VERY cool use for TF is a Dealernet System. A large company that has LOTS of dealers.

Rusty Tucker: Yep -- we don't want to be in the mail client biz.. That's better left to Eudora and Emailer.

Bob Wright: RT: I have some great news for you:

Michael Davidson: some of the issues maybe Carl

Carl Blake: See, Rusty always hits me with that one.

Rusty Tucker: I hit -everybody- with that. Its the plan.

Bob Wright: RT: I reset my TF server on Dec. 18, 1997 and did not restart it until yesterday :-O ...and I only did it then to rebuild the desktop :)

Carl Blake: But the very cool thing is that almost everyday with TF you can hit the users with new things TF can do that they did not even know they had.

Michael Davidson: If Emailer could talk to TF Server over AppleTalk, then, given all the AppleTalk networks in schools, I would say, the issue is solved

Carl Blake: Sometimes it takes a few months and then they say, I WANT to be able to do that. Then you simply say, well it has been here all along. They just NEEDED to come to the conclusion themselves.

Rusty Tucker: Mine bombed yesterday from the Mandelbrot PI -- other than that it had been running since last Dec. too.

Carl Blake: MD, but you can use Mac IP over AppleTalk.

Carl Blake: Has anyone use the Vicom Gateway program yet?

Bob Wright: RT: although one day last week I did find a message where UM had run out of memory...I quit it, added more memory to it and relaunched it. Is that a possible memory leak?

Bob Wright: CB: I have been using VG

Michael Davidson: depends on your TCP/IP connection to the net, Carl. Either IP to the net on dialup, or IP on the LAN, not both

Michael Davidson: therein lies the rub

Carl Blake: If you use the Vicom Gateway program you can use MAC IP over AppleTalk, connect to the Internet via dial in and THEN connect your ethernet network to the internet as well. I did this with a Mac LC and it works GREAT with TF.

Carl Blake: Ahhh, but you CAN do both.

Rusty Tucker: MD - You can probably just set the POP3 server to use AppleTalk ADSP.

Bob Wright: I use MachTen to carry AppleTalk over TCP/IP..works quite well

Rusty Tucker: I'd be -very- surprised if that doesn't work.

Carl Blake: But if you use internal IP's 192.168.1.1

Michael Davidson: But then you must use TF User, not Emailer

Rusty Tucker: no, just emailer doing POP3 over ADSP. There may be another piece to the puzzle, but that is likely to be the core of it.

Carl Blake: But you CAN use emailer if you set up using Mac IP on AppleTalk with the Vicom Gateway running. THEN using NAT it goes to the internet as well and is resolved. The Vicom uses ONE LEGAL IP as a dial in and then NAT for the rest.

Michael Davidson: Rusty, Emailer (the only AppleTalk Pop3 emailer I know) doesn't recognize ADSP POP3 nodes

Rusty Tucker: Did you find out if Fog City has any info on their POP3 over AppleTalk?

Carl Blake: Gotta go to IP. Gotta go to IP from AppleTalk otherwise you are cutting access to the net with NAT.

Rusty Tucker: I agree CB .. AppleTalk is on the way out

Michael Davidson: No, I did get Communigate to work with Emailer over AppleTalk. Needs POP3, SMTP, and PWD servers all running to get Emailer to see it. Then it works great

Rusty Tucker: IC - TF doesn't do the Eudora PW protocol

Michael Davidson: I agree about ATalk too, but tons of schools (and lots of businesses) still are using it. Don't count it out yet

mikael fredriksson: <<left the chat>>

Carl Blake: I currently have in use a network that uses ONE dial in connection to the net. Uses TF as the mail server, and has a complete Ethernet connected AND a complete LocalTalk network on the same system WITH a wireless connection to the main school.

Bob Wright: MD; but schools are now in the process of being "rewired" for ethernet or better

Rusty Tucker: Yeah, Its a very short term opportunity at best.

Carl Blake: Don't count it out but you have GOT to deal with ways to bridge AppleTalk TO IP. That is how you are going to solve it. We need to integrate it INTO IP. Do it with bridges and routers.

Carl Blake: Tunneling is another way.

Michael Davidson: My point is, I don't think it would take much more for Rusty to get his ADSP POP3 node to recognize Emailer's AppleTalk mode (Office Mail)

Bob Wright: very short, because lately schools have been getting LOTS of support with NETDAY

Michael Davidson: I cannot use Routers with my cable modem connection to the net

Rusty Tucker: I don't think it would be difficult at all to make it work. But I need to see some real-life potential customers looking for it.

Michael Davidson: nor proxy servers

Carl Blake: You sure can use a router.

Michael Davidson: you mean besides me Rusty :)

Bob Wright: Goals 2000 calls for ALL schools to be wired...this wiring is ethernet

Carl Blake: And YES proxy server too.

Rusty Tucker: Including U if you want to buy a solution like that:)

mikael fredriksson: <<joined the chat>>

Michael Davidson: :)

Carl Blake: I believe MD could do what he wants now without fixing TF. :)

Michael Davidson: If Apple would get it together and allow TCP/IP over both PPP and LAN, then all would be solved.

Bob Wright: I think a simple Linux box could route your AppleTalk couldn't it?

Rusty Tucker: phone -- brb

Carl Blake: I was thinking of MAC ONLY solutions Bob. But your completely right LINUX box could do it easily as well.

Bob Wright: Mac Only solution? well, I said earlier MachTen...I use that now for AppleTalk :)

Michael Davidson: Costs are high and configuring is complicated

Bob Wright: MachTen is virtually "plug and play" for routing AppleTalk

Carl Blake: Costs for a Linux box? Well, I have 7 set up right now and not a ONE of them cost me more than $200.00

Michael Davidson: I just want Rusty's ADSP POP3 node to comply with Emailer's AppleTalk mode. He agrees it probably wouldn't take much

Carl Blake: Send me a drive and I will configure it for you.

Carl Blake: LOL

Carl Blake: Yea, getting Rusty to add a new feature. Like pulling teeth from a goat. ;)

Carl Blake: Just get an old 386 machine and then get Free BSD off the net and configure the box.

Michael Davidson: Currently, he has POP3 node that works over AppleTalk using ADSP but you have to use TF/User (which is limiting). All I want is it to also work with Emailer

Bob Wright: CB: exactly!!!

Michael Davidson: I don't know how to startup a 386....where's the power switch???

Bob Wright: hahaha

Carl Blake: Heck, there are people out there right now that cannot GIVE away 486 machines. I have a stack of them here now. EVERY single one of them is a Firewall router just waiting for a connection.

Bob Wright: MD: get a clapper and then just clap on XX clap off XX ;-)

Carl Blake: LOL

Carl Blake: Hey, I didn't know either till I pick one up and dropped kicked it a few times. Sometimes that is how you turn them on.

Michael Davidson: Really, though, don't you see my point about having TF work out of the box with Emailer over LAN. Don't you think a lot of businesses and schools would go for it if it had better internal messaging than it now has

Carl Blake: I do not particularly like using the UNIX boxes but they work and are cheap. I was waiting for a Mac solution to come along and the Vicom program DOES IT ALL>

Bob Wright: MD: quite honestly, I have 26 schools here who are quite happy with TF as it is :)

Jim Smith: Q: while playing around with TF web server over local network, I have a dial up internet connection, using the TF client when I call for a page the server send the me the page, but.... it also makes a connection to my ISP dial up ISDN connection. should it do that?

Carl Blake: But I found that if you simply configure your network with invalid IP's run Mac IP you can use Eudora to the POP3 side of TF. THEN the same users can get on the internet at the SAME time. What is the use of just getting a mail solution that is AppleTalk only?

Michael Davidson: I guess I could pay $250 for a VIG, and then not let any LAN users out on the net (cable modem ISP won't allow it).

Carl Blake: Your cable modem ISP would NOT know the difference.

Carl Blake: See, most places HAVE a 28.8 or 33.6 dial in. With that you can connect them easily and use the one IP. Yes, it is slow but it works.

Michael Davidson: Yes, they would Carl, because the modem registers the ethernet card of each machine

Carl Blake: NOT if you put your router in front of it and use 1 ip. They cannot possibly get your nic address.

Michael Davidson: There is a reason to have internal mail in businesses Carl (mail over AppleTalk)

Bob Wright: If you are running DHCP they wont have a clue what is behind that one ip

Carl Blake: See you use 2 ethernet cards in the router and connect it BEFORE the cable modem.

Carl Blake: Simple and they never know and don;t care.

Michael Davidson: Tell me more Carl about before the modem?

Michael Davidson: Are you talking about a hardware router?

Carl Blake: I am not disagreeing that you NEED email. I am simply saying there is a solution at this point that allows you to be able to MOVE up in the future. AppleTalk does NOT allow future growth.

Michael Davidson: Sorry Jim, haven't got back to your question

Carl Blake: Look at apple. AppleShare now runs on IP. Apple itself is going to phase it out.

Michael Davidson: Well, as soon as apple allows for BOTH PPP and LAN IP, all will be ready.

Carl Blake: a simple 386 box or a simple Livingston Office Router ($699).

Michael Davidson: Why they haven't done that yet is beyond me.

Carl Blake: Not sure what you mean.

Michael Davidson: In the TCP/IP panel, u can choose Ethernet or PPP, not both

Carl Blake: Well, PPP is DIAL out. Ethernet is not so it is NEVER going to be the same. See, that is what router software does. It assigns and IP to the dial out and then another IP interface to the ethernet. Allowing you to do magic.

Michael Davidson: So, unless you change back and forth b/w PPP for dial up and Ethernet for LAN, you can't have both working at once. Supposedly, Apple plans this in TCP/IP 1.5

Carl Blake: That is what the router software is for.

Carl Blake: Vicom has done it and it works FLAWLESSLY. I found it to work on an SE30, LC, LCIII and some PowerMacs.

Michael Davidson: I was going to go with a router, and still may (VIG), but I was hoping for an easier solution (and less expensive)

Michael Davidson: Someday, hopefully soon, you can talk IP over both PPP and Ethernet at the same time.

Carl Blake: You CAN talk over them both at the same time. You just cannot have ONE interface doing BOTH ethernet and PPP since they are not related in the connectivity of things.

Bob Wright: Vicom is nice, but it crashes more regularly than MachTen

Carl Blake: the Vicom gateway crashes?

Michael Davidson: Can you give me a url for MachTen

Carl Blake: Hmm... not one crash the last month.

Michael Davidson: I don't know anything about it

Bob Wright: yes it does, about twice a week

Bob Wright: crashes on my Power Mac 6100

Carl Blake: i have not experienced that Bob.

Bob Wright: MachTen on 6100 goes down maybe once a month

Bob Wright: CB: what are running with Vicom? I have 5 dial-up PPP nodes

Carl Blake: I am using it on an LC and it has yet to crash. In fact it has been up over a month and never disconnected.

Bob Wright: MD: cant find the URL for MachTen right now...

Michael Davidson: thanks for trying Bob

Carl Blake: You could also use the other Unix software for Mac. MkLinux.

Bob Wright: MD: I have the manual somewhere in the mess of other manuals ;)

Bob Wright: CB: all I can tell you is there are a couple of times a week when I come in and find the Vicom server frozen

Michael Davidson: Who makes MachTen?

Carl Blake: Webten?

Carl Blake: What version of the system and OT are you using?

Michael Davidson: it ain't finding www.webten.com

Carl Blake: Go to tenon.com for MachTen

Bob Wright: yes, tenon make MachTen

Carl Blake: www.tenon.com is the home of MachTen. UNIX for every macintosh.

Michael Davidson: does it run under MOS

Carl Blake: Check out their site. They got everything you could ever want to know about their product.

Carl Blake: I never used it because it crashed too much.

Carl Blake: I presume it has gotten better.

Michael Davidson: I found their site.

Carl Blake: it is now available for the G3 stuff.

Bob Wright: CB: system 7.5.5 and OT 1.1.2 on the 6100 with Vicom

Bob Wright: CB: MachTen runs 16 of our schools right now with out any crashes :)

Carl Blake: I have never had much luck with 7.5.5. However, 7.5.3 with OT 1.1.2 and 7.6.1 with OT 1.1.2 has never let me down. I have over 400 Mac configured like this currently and very little if any problems.

Carl Blake: Like I said, I presume it has gotten better. I just have not found a use for it since I run Solaris on all my SUN equipment and MAC OS on all my Mac equipment.

Michael Davidson: guys, I have to go. Thanks for the info.

Carl Blake: I got some 950 AUX software and boards laying around here though.

Rusty Tucker: MD -

Bob Wright: I have 16 schools connected to PSI.NET with MachTen who each average connect times of 2 days (not bad for 28.8 ppp) and 17 days uptime

Rusty Tucker: before you run

Michael Davidson: yes

Bob Wright: 7.6.1 with 1.1.2 huh?

Rusty Tucker: Please point me to any info you find on Emailer's AppleTalk connection

Carl Blake: Yep, works like magic.

Rusty Tucker: Esp. if you find a spec from Claris or FogCity

Bob Wright: I will upgrade the OS to that and see if that helps :)

Rusty Tucker: No promises other than I will take a look at it.

Carl Blake: I have found some pretty bad things going to system 8.1. We lost two hard drives after installing 8.1 on machines that have NEVER had problems.

Carl Blake: System 8.0 had some memory leaks that I just could not live with.

mikael fredriksson: update or clean install ?

Bob Wright: CB: really? I am DL'ing the 8.1 update now because I have about 200 Macs with 8.0 on them

Michael Davidson: I will send you email tonight, and I will look for more info tonight. I appreciate your interest. No promises needed. :)....I'll get to it Asap.

Rusty Tucker: Time for me to go too.

Rusty Tucker: See you all Friday!

Carl Blake: While in some cases going to 8.1 was like giving the machine steroid boost and was crazy insanely fast.

Bob Wright: RT: I have a question for ya :)

Michael Davidson: Thanks Rusty

Rusty Tucker: ga BW