TeleFinder Chat Log

Text of TeleFinder Chat from Friday, October 3, 1997 11 AM PDT.

In attendance:

From Spider Island: Rusty Tucker,

Sysops: Bob Nunn, Michael Davidson, Ken Sutherland, Jim Smith, mikael fredriksson

Michael Davidson: Well, I THINK that is the best idea; my ISP hasn't implemented it yet....but it sounds right

Michael Davidson: first aliased to the second by my ISP server that is

Michael Davidson: It solves all kinds of problems if it works

Michael Davidson: Hello Rusty!!!

Bob Nunn: Yep I remember now. I had done something similar for a few folks. It will work and it simplifies life in general. I have about a dozen mailboxes.

Rusty Tucker: Hey!

Bob Nunn: Hey Rusty

Rusty Tucker: Getting TF User to display "sorted" folder views like OS8!

Michael Davidson: Hey Rusty, I have a pop gateway almost finished myself...

Bob Nunn: I am a user on a few other TF systems and I have all my mailboxes forwarded to my headgap mail box. That way I don't have to check mail on a lot of other systems.

Michael Davidson: sorted in what way Rusty...I don't use 8 but I have read about the view ing folders stuff

Rusty Tucker: Use View by list,

Michael Davidson: Cool Bob...that isn't a bad way to go. Then you can stop spam in one mailbox alone! :)

Rusty Tucker: Notice how it puts a grey BG behind the sorted field? Like that.

Bob Nunn: Well sorta. I get multiple copies of the same spam if I don't have the domain filtered.

mikael fredriksson: Hi!

Rusty Tucker: hi

Ken Sutherland: hi all, is it me or is this slow

Bob Nunn: Hey mikael, Ken

Rusty Tucker: its you :)

Bob Nunn: It is you.

Michael Davidson: It's often slow for me, but not this time Ken

Ken Sutherland: bye

Bob Nunn: Probably everyone is download Explorer 4 in the UK now.

Jim Smith: Hi

Bob Nunn: Hey Jim

Michael Davidson: Jim, HI!!

Bob Nunn: Did u get the icons I sent ya?

Michael Davidson: Jim, did you get the logs from my testing?

Jim Smith: yes, look ok:)

Michael Davidson: Jim or Rusty, can you tell me what delineates a message from the next in RFC 822

Jim Smith: Bob: thanks for the Icons, they look good.

Michael Davidson: Jim, was it the icons that look ok or my logs?? :)

Rusty Tucker: RFC822 doesn't define that Michael

Bob Nunn: I had hope they would be useful. I am not much of an artist and am still learning about what translates down. Hard to get smooth angles.

Michael Davidson: so, is it the headers that MS looks at to determine one msg from the next?

Jim Smith: Both

Michael Davidson: Is it a specific line of the header that MS uses to determine the starting point of a message?

Jim Smith: MD: Lollipop put a hex zero after each message.. for mail server.

Rusty Tucker: Mail Server uses a nul to separate them

Rusty Tucker: I think that's pretty typical

Michael Davidson: Does hex 0=null?

Rusty Tucker: yep

Michael Davidson: Help this non-programmer out...How would one manually put in a hex 0 into a message?

Michael Davidson: Is there an ASCI character that can be put in that equals null

Michael Davidson: Or better yet, suppose a message has a bunch of trash in it before the header, will MS choke or look for a specific string of the header?

Rusty Tucker: its ASCII null,

Jim Smith: You can't, that is why it used.

Jim Smith: You have to remember that messaging system on the internet is a 7 bit system... Mac is an 8 bit system.

Rusty Tucker: that wouldn't be good

Ken Sutherland: that's better

Michael Davidson: Ok, option-` I think

Rusty Tucker: The bacth file needs to start w/. a message header

Rusty Tucker: brb

Bob Nunn: Did you jiggle the wires Ken?

Ken Sutherland: restart mac

Michael Davidson: Thanks Jim

Michael Davidson: Rusty, what about a single message with trash above the header, still bad news for MS, or will MS sort it all out?? :)

Rusty Tucker: don't put trash in the message

Michael Davidson: I don't want to put it there, I just don't want to have to take it out! ;)

mikael fredriksson: I found a minor problem with the mail plugini need the full path to every mailbox.. and the logout.asi.mail ws miss spelled logout.asimail I found a minor problem with the mail plug-in need the full path to every mailbox.. and the log out.asi.mail ws miss spelled log out.asimail

Rusty Tucker: The format for a batch file is RFC822 message, nul, RFC822 message, nul etc

Jim Smith: I think most Mac programs that deal with internet messages go they the data (stuff) and eliminate trash.

Michael Davidson: So is Jim right that you can't put in ASCII null, or can I put it in

Rusty Tucker: It must be exactly that. nothing else in the file, or else the results are not predictable.

Rusty Tucker: What trash are you talking about?

Rusty Tucker: where does it come from?

Michael Davidson: That's a long story Rusty, just believe me when I say its there

Bob Nunn: I am glad that you found that mikael, I have been looking for it off an on. His code is really different. Learned a bit looking at how he set it up.

Michael Davidson: I probably can parse it out....I just didn't want to have to

Rusty Tucker: If you're getting "trash" from a POP server, something is wrong w/ the POP client's handling of the protocol.

Michael Davidson: Does the first line of ALL 822 messages start with "Received:" ?????

Rusty Tucker: nope

Rusty Tucker: You cannot assume any order of headers.

Michael Davidson: Are there a finite (small) number of possible message starting words?

Rusty Tucker: no

Michael Davidson: o, they could start with TO: or From: or anything?

Rusty Tucker: yes, any header

Michael Davidson: bummer

Rusty Tucker: Not really, the transfer protocols clearly define what is message and what is not.

Michael Davidson: Well, Ok then, there MUST be a finite number of starting words (like Received:) that MS needs...that will be sufficient

Michael Davidson: That MS needs to deliver mail (or bounce it)

Rusty Tucker: not if you don't know what is message and what is not.

Michael Davidson: If I know what MS needs (TO:, Received:, Message-Id, Subject, etc...) then I can determine messages

Michael Davidson: I can throw away anything that is before one of the words MS needs by searching till I find the first occurrence of one of MS's essential words..Make sense???

Rusty Tucker: You should send me a sample of the file you're trying to parse.

Rusty Tucker: Hey Ken, where's Jon?

Michael Davidson: Ok

Ken Sutherland: he is in fresher week at uni

Ken Sutherland: probably pissed

Ken Sutherland: but officially "just moving house"

Rusty Tucker: OK - thought he might be grinding on the PI's :)

Rusty Tucker: Mikael, is the problem you're seeing when TF has a 'partial path' in the mail path?

Rusty Tucker: Has anyone tried "GoMac.sit" It puts a "Win95" task bar on the screen.

mikael fredriksson: that you can't logon to that mailbox with the mail plugin you get a username/pw error

Rusty Tucker: Its in Public files/Macintosh/Utilities

Rusty Tucker: you mean mailboxes w/ partial paths?

mikael fredriksson: yes

Rusty Tucker: Jon is probably looking at the record directly, rather than using the "getMailPath" event.

Rusty Tucker: If he just adds the partial path to the User Manager location, he can fix it that way.

Ken Sutherland: if the mailpath is valid 8)

mikael fredriksson: I mailed Jonathan about mailboxes w/ partial paths problem and the missing "." in log out.asimail

Ken Sutherland: thanks

Ken Sutherland: more feedback = faster bug fixes, oat testers take note

Rusty Tucker: brb

Ken Sutherland: tick, tick,tick, tick,tick, tick

mikael fredriksson: The only thing I now what to get is a preferences setting for outbound domain in the plugin

mikael fredriksson: (that every user can change their own domain )

Bob Nunn: The only problem I had had was that logout feature and it was ticking me off that I couldn't find it. its hard to see those periods in the filenames on my 14". I was way off looking inside the pages for it.

Bob Nunn: Still am very happy with it.

Ken Sutherland: is the standard for users monitors 14" or 17" ?

Rusty Tucker: 17 for biz, 14 for home

Ken Sutherland: what about homepage design ?

Rusty Tucker: I think usually 14"width mac

Rusty Tucker: xmax

Rusty Tucker: like the Netscape default size

Michael Davidson: I hate home pages not setup for 14" even though I have a 20"

Ken Sutherland: hmm, interesting feedback

mikael fredriksson: hey i use my Apple 15" Multiple scan as a 20" ok the text is small (use 20" at home found a used for $10 at a sale!!!)

Rusty Tucker: Me too, I don;t like my browser, or any window, taking my whole screen

Michael Davidson: Rusty, I sent you email with the trash before the header example

Rusty Tucker: ok thanks

Ken Sutherland: i just bought a Sony 24" monitor for a design company running 1900*1600 res

Michael Davidson: I'll give you $50 for it Mikael, but you pay shipping???

Michael Davidson: Wow Ken

Michael Davidson: Hard to go back to a 14" after using that Ken

mikael fredriksson: From Sweden? ;-)

Ken Sutherland: talk about chunky

Michael Davidson: LOL

Bob Nunn: We have a 21" NEC, Its like being at the drive in movies compared to my 15 multi.

Ken Sutherland: $4200 cost with card

Michael Davidson: I just have two 20 inchers

Ken Sutherland: formac brand card

Michael Davidson: I assume millions of colors Ken, for that price

Ken Sutherland: yes and 12mb vram

Michael Davidson: poooooooor Ken

Ken Sutherland: hey, Jim has been cloned

Jim Smith2: Was disconnected.

Michael Davidson: Jim, didn't miss much...Ken was just bragging about his size

Rusty Tucker: brb

Michael Davidson: .........of monitor that is

Ken Sutherland: width

Ken Sutherland: imagine 3 of them running full cockpit for a-10 flight sim

Ken Sutherland: you should have seen the desk size

Michael Davidson: Your hair would be flying backwards

Rusty Tucker: Time for me to go :(

Ken Sutherland: and that would be just from the static on power up

Rusty Tucker: Might have a new TF User for Mac this PM

Michael Davidson: wow, its that time already

Ken Sutherland: as the lights dim

Bob Nunn: See ya. Looking forward to it.

Michael Davidson: great Rusty.

Rusty Tucker: will support the OS8 style finder windows

Jim Smith2: I use 2 monitors, a Apple AV17 and a backup 20 inch

mikael fredriksson: have a nice weekend!!

Ken Sutherland: anyone use apple data detectors

Rusty Tucker: c ya

Bob Nunn: Just noticed b3 server up. Bye all.

Michael Davidson: what's a data detector Ken?

Ken Sutherland: if you stick around for a min ,will dig out text

Michael Davidson: I can't ken, I need to harass my ISP

Michael Davidson: I AM interested though...maybe Tues

Jim Smith2: CU