Text of TeleFinder Chat from Friday, Halloween! October 31, 1997 11 AM PST.
In attendance:
From Spider Island: Rusty Tucker,
Sysops: Jim Smith, Jonathan Paisley, Ken Sutherland, mikael fredriksson , Kevin Shearon, Donald McHose, Bob Nunn, Daniel O'Leary, Michael Davidson
Rusty Tucker: hola!
Ken Sutherland: it works,
Rusty Tucker: 2 new serv ers coming today!
Rusty Tucker: Mail Server: fixes a bug handling deformed "To" headers
Rusty Tucker: Web Server: supports IP Multihoming!
Jim Smith: Key: When/how do I pay for Online Assistant (OAT), my key ran out again, which is a pain.
Jonathan Paisley: ooh!
Ken Sutherland: i am not taking payments until it is finished, hold on and i will send you a password
Rusty Tucker: OT 1.3b6 is in the "Club Beta" area ( thanks Mikael! )
mikael fredriksson: Rusty, isn't it time for a "small" press release about the new beta with IP Multihoming!
Rusty Tucker: The version I got on the Developer CD was only a debug version.
Jim Smith: Will it ever be finished 8)
Jonathan Paisley: I didn't realize 1.3b6 was available for public beta
Jonathan Paisley: Is that version of OT a non-debug version?
Rusty Tucker: its not Jon.
Rusty Tucker: Available to developers only
mikael fredriksson: I fount OT on spidernet in Holland
Jonathan Paisley: so surely you shouldn't have it online
Rusty Tucker: Club Beta is not a public site
Jonathan Paisley: but it's not restricted to apple developers
Rusty Tucker: My understanding is that you can distribute to key customers/beta testers under non-disclosure ( ie Club Beta ) for testing purposes.
Jonathan Paisley: oh
Rusty Tucker: Wouldn't be much of a test other wise
Rusty Tucker: Yes, as soon as I make the new feature available on the public beta, we can make a general announcement
Rusty Tucker: Probably next week.
Jonathan Paisley: so is that version that's online a debug version?
Ken Sutherland: Rusty. i take it you have been spring cleaning file base?
Rusty Tucker: The IP Multihoming doesn't work _exactly_ as I would have liked.
Rusty Tucker: A given thread needs to be bound to a specific address.
mikael fredriksson: Will you only release to the club beta today?
Kevin Shearon: Is there a new release of TF or something coming (just entered and missed the beginning of the discussion)?
Rusty Tucker: No, TF server will be in the regular area.
Jonathan Paisley: Rusty, I have a Q regarding MIME type mapping in the web server
Rusty Tucker: rusty tucker: 2 new serv ers coming today!
rusty tucker: Mail Server: fixes a bug handling deformed "To" headers
rusty tucker: Web Server: supports IP Multihoming!
Rusty Tucker: ga Jon
Jonathan Paisley: If I have a file with no extension (eg a jpeg picture), I want to be able to get the server to tell the client it's a image/jpeg by looking at the mac file type
Jonathan Paisley: I thought this would be possible with Internet Config, but it doesn't seem to work
Rusty Tucker: TeleFinder maps based on extension only
Rusty Tucker: needs to be ".jpg" or ".jpeg"
mikael fredriksson: Let me know when I can send a mail about the IP Multihoming support to MacinTouch and others!
Rusty Tucker: u bet
Jonathan Paisley: If I make a plugin that registers itself with no extension, but 'JPEG' '* ' file type/creator, will that get used?
Rusty Tucker: Ken - I bombed the files Tuesday.
Jonathan Paisley: and if so, will it get used *after* normal files with .jpg extension?
Ken Sutherland: nice and clean, and fast
Kevin Shearon: What is IP Multihoming?
Rusty Tucker: yes, handlers and Plug-ins ( really the same sort of thing ) check extension and type
Rusty Tucker: Kevin you can have more than one IP addressed to a single computer
Jonathan Paisley: Could you add file type mapping for normal files too? that would be quite handy...
Kevin Shearon: kind of like Proxy servers?
Rusty Tucker: with the web server, you'll be able to set up x threads for 199.35.3.99 and y threads for 199.35.3.100
Kevin Shearon: or dynamic ip resolution?
Rusty Tucker: .99 and .100 are then served from separate file bases
Rusty Tucker: Its like "virtual hosting"
Ken Sutherland: for all to know, the Umax Apus2000 (same as Apple's 6400) has poor serial speed, it cant handle anything above 38400, time to give keyspan a call 8-)
Kevin Shearon: sounds good thanks for the clarification
Rusty Tucker: except based on the IP address being connected to, not the domain name in the "host header"
Kevin Shearon: Rusty, are you selling many TF packages simply as web servers. And if you aren't why don't you have a separate price for TF for those who just want to use it as a web server?
Rusty Tucker: Also OT 1.3 is supposed to have the 1.2 "speed" bug fixed.
Rusty Tucker: I have not confirmed this yet
Jonathan Paisley: rusty: Is the version of OT1.3 that's online a debug version?
Rusty Tucker: not debug
Jonathan Paisley: kool
mikael fredriksson: My work computer feels a loot faster using internet with OT1.3
Rusty Tucker: the debug version is very lame - constantly jumps into macs bugs
Jonathan Paisley: yah, I have 1.3b6 debug, but didn't want to install it because its a debug version
Rusty Tucker: BTE - I'm playing with a new homepage for SI, you can preview it at /test.spml
Rusty Tucker: I'm looking to get a streamlined site. Make it easy to get to the most wanted into
Jonathan Paisley: it's all yellow!
Rusty Tucker: a little red to :)
Jonathan Paisley: yeah
mikael fredriksson: It looks cool!
Rusty Tucker: Red and Yellow are the TeleFinder Colors ( + blue )
Rusty Tucker: I'm redoing the "download" and "product" pages too. I think I'll leave those with white BG for readability
Rusty Tucker: I used "Dreamweaver PR1" to edit the pages ( + BBEdit )
Rusty Tucker: Its a little slow, but a pretty good editor and produces much better code than I got from PageMill
Rusty Tucker: It also does not change existing code when you edit.
Donald McHose: That's a sell point.Home page corrupts the heck out stuff to be edited.
Rusty Tucker: Here's how TF's Multi-homing works:
Ken Sutherland: what about cyber studio?
Rusty Tucker: You configure it in the "Server Setup" page in Web Settings
Rusty Tucker: right where you put domain name, Port#, and num threads
Rusty Tucker: now you can also specify "IP Address" , path to web space, check Host Headers and support personal web sites
Rusty Tucker: If you put 0.0.0.0 in IP address, it will listen for connects to any local address
Rusty Tucker: if you put a path for web space, this will override the default web space location
Rusty Tucker: if you turn off "check host headers" TF won't do virtual hosting based on the host header domain name
Rusty Tucker: if you turn off "personal web sites" personal web sites won't be accessible via that IP address.
Rusty Tucker: The idea is to let you set up a multihomed site so that it will appear to be a totally separate site
Rusty Tucker: There are certain global settings
Rusty Tucker: The realms affect all sites
Rusty Tucker: the Plug-ins are active for all sites
Rusty Tucker: Directory mapping is active for all sites
Rusty Tucker: Setting up Multiple IPs for your computer requires editing a text file, the TCP-IP control panel does not have an interface for this.
Rusty Tucker: here's what my own "IP Secondary Addresses" file looks like:
Rusty Tucker:
;1. configuring the TCP/IP Control Panel for manual addressing, and
;2. by creating a text file with the required name, "IP Secondary Addresses",
; and placing this file into the Preferences folder.
;Each secondary address entry must be prefixed by "ip=". Each subnet mask entry must be prefixed by
;"sm=". Each router address entry must be prefixed by "rt=". An example of the contents of the IP
;Secondary Addresses file follows.
; 'ip=' for ip address, 'sm=' subnet mask, 'rt=' router address
; Note: no space in 'ip=17.201.22.200'
;
; IP address Subnet Mask router addresses
;----------- ----------- ----------------
ip=199.35.3.200 sm=255.255.255.0 rt=199.35.3.1
ip=1199.35.3.201 sm=255.255.255.0 rt=199.35.3.1
ip=199.35.3.202 sm=255.255.255.0 rt=199.35.3.1
Jonathan Paisley: u have an extra 1 in there
Rusty Tucker: :)
Rusty Tucker: didn't;' try that address
Donald McHose: Is it possible to multihome the mail server? Hey I had to ask.Its a learning thing.
Kevin Shearon: Rusty what's the domain name for email on SI bbs?
mikael fredriksson: I think that the next thing for mail server is to get it to handle people (more than one) with the same name but with different domains
Rusty Tucker: you can try 199.25.3.10, and 199.35.3.200
Rusty Tucker: I don't have any plans to add Multihoming to the Mail Server
Donald McHose: O.K
Rusty Tucker: oops 199.35.3.10
Rusty Tucker: Those addresses are both on my own Mac
Rusty Tucker: @spiderisland.com, is that what you mean Kevin?
Kevin Shearon: yes thank you
Rusty Tucker: Mikael, that would require multiple TeleUsers databases
Rusty Tucker: might get a little hairy, might fit in nicely with Web Multihoming though
mikael fredriksson: or that you add the domain to user names in the user list
Ken Sutherland: change user group relevant to domain maybe
Rusty Tucker: You really want the "outgoing domain" tagged to user name, does incoming matter?
Ken Sutherland: nope
Ken Sutherland: we use oat to filter both incoming and outgoing anyway
Bob Nunn: How many IP address do you use on your server Rusty?
mikael fredriksson: In and out going is of the same importance
Rusty Tucker: www.spiderisland.com has only 1 address now -> .99
Rusty Tucker: I'm only running OT 1.3 on my own machine for now
Bob Nunn: Got my ASCEND Pipeline 85 and my ISDN line ordered. Should be up in about 3 weeks at a little faster clip. 427 page manual.
Rusty Tucker: For incoming I think the MX records take care of just about everything, don't they? Unless you want John@spiderisland.com to be not found if addressed to @otherlocaldomain.com
Rusty Tucker: :)
Donald McHose: forget that , Nuclear science is easier Bob
Bob Nunn: Glad I got a friendly ISP. I can tell ya that.
mikael fredriksson: Yes, what I want is that John@spiderisland.com and John@@otherlocaldomain.com not to be the same person on inbound mail (and outgoing if you use TFU)
Donald McHose: Fellow bat shift workers are making noise,gots ta run Take care all
Rusty Tucker: lates
Ken Sutherland: nite all
Rusty Tucker: server kicks me out after an hour :) must mean that our times up for today
Jim Smith: Have nice one all
Bob Nunn: Rusty one last quick one?
Rusty Tucker: Check the server this PM for the new stuff, or tomorrow if you'll be trick-or-treating :)
Rusty Tucker: GA
mikael fredriksson: ;-)
Bob Nunn: You may have already covered. If I change to the latest beta server, I have a lot of aliases will i have trouble?
Rusty Tucker: that depends
Rusty Tucker: where do the aliases point?
Bob Nunn: I have the OAT program so many are going to UD areas. I also have some in Conf. and I have a few Web Page aliases and crossed mail boxes
Rusty Tucker: If you have "all files access" nothing will change
Rusty Tucker: but for everyone else, the aliases that point "outside" of their access group will be dead
Rusty Tucker: You'll need to add "invisible" paths to bring them back to life
Rusty Tucker: add a path to the CD, set the privs, and make it invisible.
Rusty Tucker: ditto for the web folders
Rusty Tucker: not sure if I'd do that for the mail folders though
Bob Nunn: That will be in the UM?
Rusty Tucker: yes, its a check box in the path setup in the new UM
Bob Nunn: I cross paths on for example a homepage for PSI (secretaries org.) and the users mail box whose name is Sheila@headgap that way she can pick up mail for both with one visit.
Rusty Tucker: You might want to just go to UM and actually put one mailbox inside the other for real, rather than via alias
Bob Nunn: Glad there is still a workaround. Liked that feature.
Michael Davidson: Hey Rusty, I thought of something but I might be wrong
Michael Davidson: Concerning viewing preview PICTs in IE
Michael Davidson: Doesn't QuickTime plug in allow for PICT viewing
Daniel O'Leary: Boo All!!!
Rusty Tucker: boo!
Daniel O'Leary: Took the day off to clean up so the kids can hose it tonight...
Rusty Tucker: It probably does Michael
Rusty Tucker: :)
Daniel O'Leary: It does ...
Daniel O'Leary: And a whole lot of other things too.
Rusty Tucker: I always keep my car in the garage on this night
Rusty Tucker: I had a truck get egged about 10 years ago,
Daniel O'Leary: QT PI does midi, and some sound formats. Looks like the new one does wav..
Rusty Tucker: I think it will do WAV on Mac now too, that should be handy
Bob Nunn: If you are spending the night at someone's house on Halloween is it improper to get up and use their own paper to TP the yard if everyone is already asleep?
Michael Davidson: And isn't there a QT plug-in for IE
Michael Davidson: And isn't there a QT plug-in for IE?
Rusty Tucker: I think that would be perfect!
Rusty Tucker: But
Daniel O'Leary: Rusty. I have confirmed WAV. if you have QTC loaded you can do also do netphone and whiteboarding.
Rusty Tucker: since you're spending the nite, make sure that there is some leftover!
Daniel O'Leary: Yea... hehe (on the TP)
Daniel O'Leary: I will have a bunch of kids over tonight for a party.
Bob Nunn: Hadn't considered. Going to a party in the country. Will keep that in mind.
Rusty Tucker: :)
Bob Nunn: ;)
Rusty Tucker: time to go
Daniel O'Leary: I have a 120 pound pumpkin I want to hurl.
Daniel O'Leary: Any ideas?
Rusty Tucker: I'll upload the log and the new servers in a bit
Michael Davidson: I think I'm back??
Daniel O'Leary: That is its cleaned out (carved) weight.
Rusty Tucker: yow!
Bob Nunn: Yep, See you next week. Roast up them seeds when you get done. Drop it off the overpass on a convertible.
Daniel O'Leary: Think I will put a picture of it on my page.
Daniel O'Leary: It dwarfs the wagon I put it in.
Michael Davidson: And isn't there a QT plug-in for IE???Did you get the rest of my messages??
Daniel O'Leary: or ON.
Bob Nunn: We might get to see a TF sysop on CNN if you time it just right.
Daniel O'Leary: I think so MD.
Daniel O'Leary: heheh
Daniel O'Leary: I do not really know since I lock out access using IE.
Rusty Tucker: Yes, there's a QT plug for IE, it runs NS plugs
Daniel O'Leary: I have a conditional that looks at the browser ID string and gives them the skulls if they are using IE, instead of the page.
Michael Davidson: Mine is slooooooooooooooooooooow so bear with me a sec
Rusty Tucker: Gotta go, see you next Tuesday!
Daniel O'Leary: And increments a count to hack them off...
Bob Nunn: Doesn't call to the QT plug in the same though.
Daniel O'Leary: Take care Rusty!
Michael Davidson: Doesn't QT allow for viewing PICTS (previews)
Bob Nunn: Gotta go to. See ya next week.
Daniel O'Leary: Yes it does MD.
Michael Davidson: Then Jim leary should use TF pict preview and make sure his clients have the QT plug in if they use IE
Michael Davidson: I like the skulls if using IE Daniel!!:)
Daniel O'Leary: Hehe... I do too, MD.
Daniel O'Leary: Did not know that it worked until a buddy of mine called me at work.
Michael Davidson: Ok, is rusty putting up some new servers tonight or something?
Daniel O'Leary: I nearly fell out of my chair laughing.
Michael Davidson: Cool...you should make that public info (on how to do it)
Daniel O'Leary: I think RT is loading some new servers tonight, but I came in on the tail end of the talk so I do not know what they feature.
mikael fredriksson: Yes a new beta with support for OT 1.3 IP Multihoming
Daniel O'Leary: Jammin!
Michael Davidson: Cool. Thanks mikael. Unfortunately, I'm not yet in position to use it.
mikael fredriksson: rusty tucker: Mail Server: fixes a bug handling deformed "To" headers
rusty tucker: Web Server: supports IP Multihoming!
Michael Davidson: Gotta go guys...I might be asking for info on the IE thing later Daniel...It's such a great idea!!
mikael fredriksson: bye
Michael Davidson: I might need that MS
Daniel O'Leary: See you MD, anytime.
Michael Davidson: bye now
October 31, 1997
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