Text of TeleFinder Chat from Friday, April 24, 1998 11 AM PDT.
In attendance:
From Spider Island: Rusty Tucker
Sysops: Jim Smith, Bob Wright, Michael Davidson, mikael fredriksson, Daniel O'Leary, Ken Sutherland, Bill Gram-Reefer
Rusty Tucker hola!
Rusty Tucker Welcome to the Chat Room chat Bob!
Rusty Tucker c-ya
Rusty Tucker Welcome to the Chat Room chat Bob!
Rusty Tucker c-ya
Rusty Tucker Welcome to the Chat Room chat Bob!
Bob Wright hmmm...
Rusty Tucker hi!
Bob Wright hiya!
Bob Wright I see where someone else also posted a problem with
TFUser in that if your password is wrong, it wont return you to the
connection screen
Rusty Tucker I didn't see that.
Bob Wright TFUser 5.7b8 that is
Rusty Tucker hang on
Rusty Tucker hola!
Bob Wright re
Bob Wright it did it for you, too?
Rusty Tucker true! You need to quit and relaunch
Bob Wright yep.... :/
Rusty Tucker hmm , well it gives me something to fix today
Bob Wright haha...sorry about that
Bob Wright How hard is it to add the ability to view JPG's
online like we can do GIF's?
Rusty Tucker maybe not too hard using QuickTime
Rusty Tucker Welcome to the Chat Room chat Jim!
Rusty Tucker at least on the Mac..
Bob Wright its nice to view GIF's online...jpg's would be
nice, too
Rusty Tucker Welcome to the Chat Room chat Michael!
Michael Davidson I had trouble getting on
Michael Davidson Rusty, I have been unable to stop, or even
modify, the entering and exiting announcements -- the <
Rusty Tucker I think the sites a little busy right now
Rusty Tucker Welcome to the Chat Room chat Ken!
Michael Davidson I have been trying to intercept those
messages but cannot
Rusty Tucker There's not a filter for that, only the action
upon the event
Ken Sutherland hiya
Michael Davidson So, there is no way to stop the following
automatically generated message "Rusty Tucker: <
Michael Davidson I can stop any other message but those
two
Rusty Tucker no..
Rusty Tucker Welcome to the Chat Room chat Rick!
Rusty Tucker Welcome to the Chat Room chat Jim!
Rusty Tucker Maybe we should add a filter for the in and
out?
Michael Davidson Unless, fromUser is unique...is it?
Michael Davidson no, that won't work
Ken Sutherland Q
Michael Davidson Is it grabable without adding a filter?
Rusty Tucker problem is, I have not found a way to return more
than one item
Rusty Tucker Welcome to the Chat Room chat mikael!
Rusty Tucker c-ya
Rusty Tucker Welcome to the Chat Room chat mikael!
Michael Davidson What AE is sent when the enter announcement
goes out, and from who (fromUser)
Ken Sutherland Rusty, in a SPML arg can you have style
commands, in the following if I put line breaks in it goes bang
Ken Sutherland
Rusty Tucker using apple script, so you cant ask 2 questions
using one event, you need a second event to ask the other ( display?
) question, after the first ( say enter message? )
Rusty Tucker Does that make sense MD?
Ken Sutherland i.e. after the >
Michael Davidson So, you are saying we need another event for
enter exit
Rusty Tucker That's why there is "Filter Message" and "Auto
Reply" as separate events
Michael Davidson I am trying to stop the event from displaying
on the screen; using the Filter Message event
Rusty Tucker Yes we'd need one or two events, "filter user
entering" and "filter user leaving"
Michael Davidson I was trying to create an option that
filtered out those entering and exiting announcements (or modified
them...so they "sounded" correct spoken
Rusty Tucker Welcome to the Chat Room chat Bill!
Rusty Tucker Ken, I.E. what after the >?
Bill Gram-Reefer getting in here is like pushing through a mob
at a Macy's sale
Rusty Tucker the form looks ok to me
Bill Gram-Reefer what's the topic?
Rusty Tucker Ken's got a mail form SPML question on the
floor
Rusty Tucker and MD was asking about filtering on the chat
"Enter" and "Exit" text display
Rusty Tucker Ken seems to be visiting limbo land though...
Ken Sutherland RT, if I bup a line break after the last
character of each line i.e. the '>" it stops working
Ken Sutherland also remember its kiddy time here in the UK
Michael Davidson kiddy land is limbo land
Ken Sutherland very true
Rusty Tucker u mean by putting a CR at the end of each line of
the Forms HTML???
Rusty Tucker don't you want to use a
so that each of those form fields are on a separate line?
Rusty Tucker Bill, did you see Dale H's question's regarding
PPP in the topics?
Rusty Tucker I suggested using a Vicom like you do to keep his
connection up.
Michael Davidson ?
Rusty Tucker go ahead MD
Michael Davidson Rusty, are you sure that looking for a
specific fromUser (a unique fromUser, which it may already be) in the
Filter Message, would allow me to stop the <
Bill Gram-Reefer no RT
Rusty Tucker MD - the Filter Message event does not get called
when a user enters
Michael Davidson OK, no wonder I couldn't catch it there. So
we need an event (or two)
Bill Gram-Reefer I'm in support thread answering Dale H.
brb
Michael Davidson or call the Filter Message on enter
Rusty Tucker I think so, probably let the script decide what
to print on the screen
Rusty Tucker c-ya
Rusty Tucker Welcome to the Chat Room chat Daniel!
Daniel O'Leary Damn RT open some more nodes!
Rusty Tucker just traded a Leary for an O'Leary :)
Daniel O'Leary Been trying to get on for 15 min....
Rusty Tucker tsk tsk, mustn't be late :)
Daniel O'Leary We are the "old ones"
Daniel O'Leary What have I missed.
Daniel O'Leary You really should open more nodes for this
chat.
Rusty Tucker I'm out of memory as it is
Michael Davidson open a node named DOL for the contributions
from Dan
Michael Davidson :)
Daniel O'Leary Hahahah
Daniel O'Leary I have try drive 15 minutes total here to do
this on a shifted lunch hr.
Daniel O'Leary Keyboard is failing.
Daniel O'Leary so are fingers.
Rusty Tucker truth
Daniel O'Leary My v key is going south, one option or cmd key
is also failed.
Michael Davidson Rusty, would it be easier to call the Filter
Message when the <
Daniel O'Leary Time for another trip to the bathtub I
think...So what is topic.
Rusty Tucker I was trying to help Ken with an SPML
problem....
Daniel O'Leary What kind o problem?
Daniel O'Leary got my alternate templates working now.
Rusty Tucker good question :)
Rusty Tucker I was still trying to figure that out.
Bill Gram-Reefer speaking of memory, I just learned that the
G3 desktops have an effective Ram limitation of 192 MB! cause the 128
DIMM chips are too big!
Rusty Tucker ****
Rusty Tucker c-ya
Rusty Tucker oops there he goes
Daniel O'Leary I will get a tower... what about them.
Michael Davidson I can live with 192 MB RAM
Daniel O'Leary Rusty, what what Ken's SPML problem about?
Rusty Tucker I really don't know Dan
Michael Davidson :)
Bill Gram-Reefer 256 Mb DIMMS may or may not work but 128 are
supposed to according to sales guy at computerware...a mac-only
reseller here in Bay area that is usually reliable.
Rusty Tucker I think I heard something about that
Bill Gram-Reefer RT I have a question about the bulleted
passwords in UM
Rusty Tucker go ahead
Rusty Tucker the "optionally" bulleted pw's ?
Michael Davidson RT, about my last question, was it totally
off?
Bill Gram-Reefer it seems that some users have been having
problems logging on and they go away when I manually re-enter
passwords in UM over existing bullets
Daniel O'Leary BGR I turned that off here, and all the PWDs
are ok.
Bill Gram-Reefer like their rev of TF user and the new UM
weren't seeing each other's passwords
Daniel O'Leary Would not think that the passwords got
hosed.
Bill Gram-Reefer sorry, I know it got explained once but how
do I turn the bullets off in UM
Rusty Tucker always check the logs for PW problems, then
you'll see that they really entered the wrong password
Rusty Tucker MD - another event is better
Daniel O'Leary BGR there is a resource to edit.
Michael Davidson I already stop Twits by fromUser
Daniel O'Leary did you guys hear that the Defense sys hack was
through a WIN NT box hahahahahahahah
Bill Gram-Reefer sorry, I don't do windows or ResEdit
Rusty Tucker :)
Michael Davidson But if you say so, another event it is
Bob Wright its TENNIS TIME!! see ya all next week
Rusty Tucker ace' em!
Rusty Tucker c-ya
Daniel O'Leary RT any more development on Java hooks to
chat?
Rusty Tucker Welcome to the Chat Room chat Jim!
Rusty Tucker I think a Simple TCP Chat interface is the way to
go
Daniel O'Leary I have a client for that one.
Daniel O'Leary need to add the channel coomds an I'm to
it.
Rusty Tucker The server could either be built-in to
TeleFinder, or a standalone app
Rusty Tucker The server should be a C++ or C program so it can
do the chat events easily
Daniel O'Leary if it were built-in, response would be
fast.
Michael Davidson didn't their use to be a TF Chat Server !
:)
Daniel O'Leary yes MD.
Rusty Tucker Still is, its just integrated into TeleFinder
Server now
Michael Davidson Quite a different one is in the making
Michael Davidson I know, I was reminiscing
Rusty Tucker ahh, I c , the bad old days :)
Rusty Tucker a separate app for each node...
Rusty Tucker works for Unix
Michael Davidson now a separate app for chat nodes (TCP)
Daniel O'Leary if we are slick RT, we could integrate
whiteboarding too.
Rusty Tucker It could even be a web server plug-in
Michael Davidson Dan, make it a pi
Rusty Tucker They can do events and Networking very
easily.
Daniel O'Leary would be a TF/user plug-in for client, or stand
alone app.
Rusty Tucker oops, can't do the events since TeleFinder
already registers for those events
Daniel O'Leary give me some new ones rt...
Rusty Tucker that would be a mess for chat server...
Bill Gram-Reefer well you guys figure this chat thing out
cause that's what you're good at..i gotsto go BYE
Rusty Tucker c-ya
Rusty Tucker lates
Daniel O'Leary is there a way to extend the existing ones,
without hosing what is already built>?
Rusty Tucker a separate app is the way to go for now.
Michael Davidson (I'm just asking for two events) :)
Daniel O'Leary it will slow some things down.
Daniel O'Leary a way to link to UM will help out.
Rusty Tucker nothing a G3 can;t fix
Daniel O'Leary want to prevent spoofing chat, too.
Michael Davidson :)
Rusty Tucker c-ya
Rusty Tucker even one with a paltry 192 MB of RAM will
do..
Daniel O'Leary RT you are so easily amused...
Michael Davidson he's funny
Daniel O'Leary I want full slots...
Daniel O'Leary all of 'em.
Daniel O'Leary I hate empty connectors.
Daniel O'Leary : )
Rusty Tucker nay more question's before we wrap it up to
day?
Daniel O'Leary I will get back to you with some source for my
chat work.
Daniel O'Leary Need to learn how to write plug-ins.
Daniel O'Leary Only know how to do applications.
Rusty Tucker wsapi.spiderisland..com
Daniel O'Leary Got it.
Rusty Tucker that'd the TeleFinder plug-in site.
Rusty Tucker a bunch of free source code for making
plug-ins
Daniel O'Leary Will write plug-ins that need UM to work
(grin)
Daniel O'Leary That way they cannot be used on shameless W*
sites.
Rusty Tucker oh well.. :)
Rusty Tucker see you all next week, time for lunch here.
Daniel O'Leary Yah, popcorn is awaiting.
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