TeleFinder Chat Log

Text of TeleFinder Chat from Friday, December 19, 1997 11 AM PST.

In attendance:

From Spider Island: Rusty Tucker,

Sysops: mikael fredriksson, Bob Wright, Bob Nunn, Donald McHose, Juan Jose Tarud

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Rusty Tucker: <<joined the chat>>

mikael fredriksson: <<joined the chat>>

mikael fredriksson: hi

Rusty Tucker: hi!

Rusty Tucker: I expect it will be very slow today with the holidays coming so soon

Rusty Tucker: Bob N probably won't make it today

mikael fredriksson: yes ;)

mikael fredriksson: when will the complete 5.6 package be finished? (in a .sea)

Rusty Tucker: i will post it later today, also a segmented version

Bob Wright: <<joined the chat>>

Rusty Tucker: Hi Bob

Bob Wright: howdy!

Rusty Tucker: no news from me today..

Bob Wright: how about a question? :)

Rusty Tucker: go for it

Bob Wright: When I add access groups to realms, it would be nice to select more than one at a time to add to the realm. Is this possible already? (shift-clicking -- a standard feature in the OS -- does not work) :(

Rusty Tucker: no, but you might be able to do it more quickly editing the text directly

Rusty Tucker: then you can use copy and paste

Bob Wright: editing the realm file?

Rusty Tucker: yes, its just a tab delimited text file

Rusty Tucker: www-realms.config

Bob Wright: ok, so that means typing all of the access groups twice or more. :/

Rusty Tucker: hmm, maybe its better to stick with the GUI to do it

Bob Wright: but the GUI means only one at a time?

Rusty Tucker: yes. just one at a time

Bob Wright: RT: Never get me wrong...I LOVE TF....but I always ask questions that would make the use of TF easier for me. I never take it personally or look down at TF if my requests can not be made :)

Rusty Tucker: I didn't consider a site with 100 access groups at the time :)

Bob Wright: well, just look at it like this: for a school system, each school needs access for teachers, students, librarians and admin. If you have 30 schools that means 120 access groups

Bob Wright: so when I create a realm for school A, I want to say "add these four access groups to that realm" without having to say "add this one, now add this, now add this one, and finally add this one" :)

Rusty Tucker: right, that makes sense

Bob Wright: maybe you have a better way for me to set up my access groups?

Bob Wright: my first year with TF, I tried using just the schools as the access group -- 30 -- but then I could not shield the teacher "stuff" from the students "stuff"

Rusty Tucker: no, i think that's the right way

Rusty Tucker: you just have a very big and complex situation to deal with

Bob Wright: so other than ram, what is my limit on the amount of realms I can have?

Rusty Tucker: TF is using the Standard file mechanisms built into the OS to pick the files.

Rusty Tucker: and it does not have an 'multi' selection capability

Bob Wright: but yet I can choose multi files from the mail list

Rusty Tucker: you can have any number of realms, memory is the only limit

Rusty Tucker: mail list? that must be a list we did ourselves, not an OS list

Bob Wright: yes, the mail list that is shown from the client. I can pick multi files from that

Rusty Tucker: its a limit of the MacOS std file routines that only let you select one file at a time

Rusty Tucker: I'll keep it in mind for the next rev though... I'd just have to replace the OS routine with my own code.

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Bob Wright: well, that would be helpful for me :)

Rusty Tucker: Hey BN!

Bob Wright: there are some resources that I want EVERYONE to have access to...like HELP. Its rough checking that realm 120 TIMES :)

Bob Nunn: Greetings. Just got back from our Xmas Dinner. The co. fed about 600 people.

Bob Nunn: My group was in the back of the line.

Bob Nunn: I was looking at WWWStat4Mac-161 Ä today. May play with it some this weekend assuming I have any time left over after Bell South successfully installs my ISDN line today.

Rusty Tucker: I like Analog, have you tried it?

Rusty Tucker: its very fast, and makes a good report too

Bob Nunn: Nope but I was hoping you would say something about what package was good. Would like to know what is going on with my web server. Apple Scriptable?

Donald McHose: <<joined the chat>>

Bob Nunn: Hey Donald

Donald McHose: Better late then never I say , Hey!!

Bob Nunn: Rusty, is analog up or is their a web site that you know of?

Rusty Tucker: I don't know if its scriptable

Bob Nunn: Well if you can drag and drop your logs to it I can make that work okay I think.

Donald McHose: O.K all : http://www.il.lancaster.k12.sc.us is public , needs a lot of work but it does FREAKIN kick.

Rusty Tucker: http://www.statslab.cam.ac.uk/~sret1/analog/

Bob Nunn: Thanks I got it and will run look in a bit.

Rusty Tucker: u can just run it and it automatically processes "webserver.log"

Bob Nunn: Perhaps I can do a detail instructions with screen shots, templates etc. I am starting to have a need for it on the hobby side.

Bob Nunn: Sounds ideal since your default is the same name.

Bob Wright: Is there any reason why Web Stat is SO SLOW on my 9500? I redo a fresh log every week, but after just one day it GRINDS :/

Bob Nunn: How big is your log. I bet it is sizable?

Rusty Tucker: web stat is slow compared to analog

Rusty Tucker: analog processes my file ( usually about 9 Meg ) in just several seconds

Bob Wright: Size should not be an issue since I said I redo it every week.

Bob Nunn: Do you compile the data for a long term look?

Rusty Tucker: i don't.... i would if i had more time

Bob Wright: I compile the data for a weekly report by month

Bob Wright: but it started taking SO LONG that I turned it off

Bob Nunn: If I can settle on a program, I think I can get Brian to automate importing it into FM. He gets off on stuff like that.

Juan Jose Tarud: <<joined the chat>>

Juan Jose Tarud: hello people

Bob Nunn: I think I have the latest coming now. Analog 2.11 will put it up if its not on SI.

Bob Nunn: Hello Juan!

Bob Wright: mikael: hello and thanks for helping out the other day :)

mikael fredriksson: it was fun

Rusty Tucker: you can take a look at /report.html to see what Analog does

Juan Jose Tarud: Bob N, can you give me more time on your BBS?

Bob Nunn: Yes will be happy too.

Juan Jose Tarud: thanks

Bob Nunn: Will do it as soon as Analog finishes upping to SI.

Rusty Tucker: the report just shows 3 days activity since i just dumped the old log a couple days ago

Rusty Tucker: Analog is configured via a text file, there's no user interface to it.

Rusty Tucker: Terry White likes "WWWStatistics"

Rusty Tucker: It also tracks server start ups

Bob Wright: RT: any chances of getting remote features like disconnecting a user via www in the future?

Rusty Tucker: -- crxn he's using WWWStat4Mac

Rusty Tucker: Its possible to hook it up via Frontier or some other scripting.

Rusty Tucker: ^ BW

Rusty Tucker: Stephen Tallent put together a web control screen using Frontier, it would show who's online

Rusty Tucker: stop and start nodes, a bunch of stuff

Rusty Tucker: I could never convince him to upload it though :(

Juan Jose Tarud: mikael...which was the software you use to admin from home?

mikael fredriksson: I use Timbuktu

Juan Jose Tarud: where can I get it?

mikael fredriksson: From Farallon

Rusty Tucker: err - "Netopia" :)

mikael fredriksson: I think they have a Christmas special

Bob Nunn: Are you on 4.0?

Donald McHose: Juan ,though I do use TBK2 (4) it does have a bug that can crash your server at random times if using pop-up windows

mikael fredriksson: use 3.0

mikael fredriksson: I'm using 3.0

Juan Jose Tarud: with that you can see the server«s screen from home?

mikael fredriksson: yes

Bob Nunn: I have been on 3 for here in the office. Didn't know if we needed to upgrade. Seems to work fine. Can't imagine doing it via modem though.

Rusty Tucker: put the screen on B&W :)

Donald McHose: Works,but the mouse tail trails. ;-)

mikael fredriksson: then use Rusty's script for macsbug to reboot your server when it bombs

Rusty Tucker: almost lunch time here..

Juan Jose Tarud: the thing is that I find a little difficult to purchase 3.0 if they only sell now 4.0

Rusty Tucker: any last q's before I run?

mikael fredriksson: RT: any plans for the TF v5.7 now when 5.6 is out ? ;)

Bob Wright: no...happy holidays everyone. see ya next week.

Rusty Tucker: :) not yet

mikael fredriksson: no have nice weekend

Bob Wright: <<left the chat>>

Donald McHose: Oh boy! have great holidays

Rusty Tucker: gonna work on doing my Christmas shopping !

Bob Nunn: Tuesday Chat but no Friday next week?

Donald McHose: See ya'll

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Rusty Tucker: I'll be out until aft Jan 1

Bob Nunn: After this one?

mikael fredriksson: from today?

Rusty Tucker: I'll probably be in Mon-Tues, but not Wed, Thurs, Frid.

Bob Nunn: My schedule too. You think we will chat Tues?

Rusty Tucker: as long as the power stays up here!

mikael fredriksson: then have God Jul och ett Gott nytt r (merry Christmas and a happy new year)

mikael fredriksson: will try on Tuesday is at my mother then

Bob Nunn: With my router going in I may have a question or two. Merry Xmas and Happy New Year if I don't see you until then. Bye

Rusty Tucker: Thanks Mikael, Merry Christmas to all, and a Prosperous new year!

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