TeleFinder Chat Log

Text of TeleFinder Chat from Friday, November 7, 1997 11 AM PST.

In attendance:

From Spider Island: Rusty Tucker,

Sysops: Bob Nunn, Donald McHose, Jim Leary, Jonathan Paisley, Juan Jose Tarud, Daniel Raguse,

chat logger: <joined the chat>

Rusty Tucker: <joined the chat>

Donald McHose: <joined the chat>

Bob Nunn: <joined the chat>

Donald McHose: Hi,Rusty-n-Bob how are things?

Bob Nunn: Hey, got the flu bug today.

Jonathan Paisley: <joined the chat>

Donald McHose: Sorry to hear that.Get well soon

Rusty Tucker: Hola!

Jonathan Paisley: hi folks

Donald McHose: Hola back {I think } ;-)

Jonathan Paisley: rusty, I have a q

Donald McHose: O.K now that we have two very influential dev. on-line , what are ya'll cooking up now?

Jim Leary: <joined the chat>

Rusty Tucker: What's up Jon?

Jim Leary: Hello room

Jonathan Paisley: Why aren't SPML pages marked as non-cacheable?

Jim Leary: Jon, did you receive my mail yesterday?

Rusty Tucker: TF caches the raw data, and processes it as request time

Rusty Tucker: the file is cached, not the resulting HTML

Jonathan Paisley: I mean for user-agent caching

Rusty Tucker: oh

Rusty Tucker: you could do that via a META tag I think

Jonathan Paisley: eg in the guest book

Jonathan Paisley: The other solution (i think) is to put a ? after the url, that way the UA treats it as dynamic

Jonathan Paisley: But I reckon that the server should indicate in the headers that SPML is non-cacheable

Rusty Tucker: Also, the #pragma no-cache is actually a request header. Clients seem to ignore it.

Jonathan Paisley: hmmn.

Jonathan Paisley: That's annoying

Rusty Tucker: I'd probably use the "expires" in a META tag.

Jonathan Paisley: Did you have any luck adding in the extra parameters in the dir listing SPML for URL-encoded file names and suchlike?

Jim Leary2: <joined the chat>

Rusty Tucker: yep, the next rev will encode the file names

Jonathan Paisley: cool!

Jonathan Paisley: What about file type MIME mapping?

Rusty Tucker: yep that's in there too

Jim Leary: <left the chat>

Jonathan Paisley: great!

Jonathan Paisley: One other thing:

Rusty Tucker: Ya gotta watch out with that though. Internet Config has a funny way of looking up MIMEs

Jonathan Paisley: I was playing with the SPML in the dir.spml file, and I wanted to reference files in a subdirectory that started with a period (hence it won't get shown up)

Jonathan Paisley: eg the real file was 'test.jpg'

Rusty Tucker: it actually searches the _entire_ list to find a "best fit"

Jonathan Paisley: and I wanted to do

Rusty Tucker: That explains why it drags down performance at high hit levels

Jonathan Paisley: can you cache the mapping data somehow?

Jonathan Paisley: eg read in the basic types at startup and use them in an optimal fashion

Rusty Tucker: You can add them to TF's Internal MIME list and forgo IC if you want

Rusty Tucker: that works very very fast

Jonathan Paisley: [back to topic]
Jonathan Paisley: I suppose using %A5 should work though (he just figures it out!)

Rusty Tucker: :)

Rusty Tucker: Anyone have experience with a GVC X2 modem?

Jonathan Paisley: How do I add them to TF's internal list?

Rusty Tucker: just edit the www-mimes.config file

Jonathan Paisley: Is that by editing a config file?

Rusty Tucker: like:

Rusty Tucker: mmap .GIF image/gif GIFf

mmap .JPG image/jpeg JPEG

mmap .JPEG image/jpeg JPEG

mmap .TXT text/plain TEXT

Jonathan Paisley: So the server will use the file types/creators in there then! Cool! Does it do that at the moment anyway?

Rusty Tucker: no, you'll need the next B version

Jonathan Paisley: ok, so if I access /test_file (which is a TEXT file), will I get it as text/plain? (with the next B)

Rusty Tucker: yep

Jonathan Paisley: cool!

Rusty Tucker: I've had a report that the GVC X2 doesn't respond to TF 5.5

Jonathan Paisley: rusty: another thing: I need a way to include quotes (") in the SPML dir-list command... At the moment that doesn't seem to be possible

Jonathan Paisley: Could you make it possible to escape quotes in some manner?

Rusty Tucker: I haven't got that to work yet

Donald McHose: It seems to me I have read about problematic GV's new x2 -n- k-flex.I'll run the lists and see what shakes out if you need.

Juan Jose Tarud: <joined the chat>

Juan Jose Tarud: Hello people

Bob Nunn: Hey Juan Jose Tarud

Juan Jose Tarud: I'm here to fight for the Windows user version :-)

Rusty Tucker: fight for it?

Rusty Tucker: fight away!

Juan Jose Tarud: I'm really having trouble with some users who cannot save their e-mails. Also, I'm running a private BBS and the Sysop cannot add info on-line to the files

Rusty Tucker: what's the saving problem?

Juan Jose Tarud: although I hate PC's, business is business :-)

Juan Jose Tarud: they write the e-mails and when they put save, nothing happens

Rusty Tucker: maybe their using an older version?

Juan Jose Tarud: 3.02

Rusty Tucker: i just tried it here, and "save" brings up the save dialog.

Jim Leary2: <left the chat>

Juan Jose Tarud: Also, As I told you, I have a private bbs which e-mail address @bd.aminfo.cl and my domain is bbs.itn.cl. How can I make the their e-mail go out with their domain and not mine?

Jim Leary2: <joined the chat>

Juan Jose Tarud: What about the info on the files. It writes but does not save

Rusty Tucker: you can choose one or the other outgoing domain

Rusty Tucker: what do you mean "It writes but does not save"?

Juan Jose Tarud: right but in the same server

Juan Jose Tarud: I can write the info on the files on-line but when I close it, It disappears

Rusty Tucker: lets take one problem at a time

Juan Jose Tarud: ok

Rusty Tucker: I'm talking about the email still

Rusty Tucker: How can I reproduce the problem with saving?

Jonathan Paisley: <left the chat>

Juan Jose Tarud: Just using the 3.02 on win 3.11 and '95. First I thought it wasn't true but I tested it

Juan Jose Tarud: Weird because I remember that once I did with v2.5 and it worked

Rusty Tucker: OK you tested it and what happened ( exactly if you can tell me )

Juan Jose Tarud: Nothing...no saving window

Rusty Tucker: - I think that there was a problem with saving in older versions, but not in 3.0.2

Juan Jose Tarud: I'll check it out...I never tried saving in 3.02 but a customer said he did. What I did tried was the Info thing

Rusty Tucker: + the second time you select save on a message, it should just save without bringing up the window.

Rusty Tucker: Good, they were probably using an older version

Rusty Tucker: 3.0.2 does not support editing comments remotely

Juan Jose Tarud: Remember my problem with the domains?

Rusty Tucker: That is why you did not see the comment change

Rusty Tucker: I don't remember it

Juan Jose Tarud: when I placed a an address www.itn.cl/~juanjo it used to change to any virtual domain www.virtual.cl/~juanjo

Juan Jose Tarud: the problem is on MICROSOFT Internet Explorer v2.0 and 3.0

Rusty Tucker: Yes, I remember that. We could not reproduce it when I tried your server.

Jim Leary2: <left the chat>

Daniel Raguse: <joined the chat>

Rusty Tucker: Hi Daniel

Daniel Raguse: Hi

Daniel Raguse: what's going on?

Juan Jose Tarud: Maybe it only happens on SPML files

Rusty Tucker: I just tried it again, and it shows "http://www.itn.cl/~juanjo/"

Rusty Tucker: also : http://www.itn.cl/~juanjo/homepage2.spml

Juan Jose Tarud: but as I said IExplorer 2.0 or 3.0 . Mostly 2.0 NOT ALWAYS, just sometimes.

Rusty Tucker: it's IE 3.01a

Juan Jose Tarud: what can I say, it has happened to me on PC v2.0

Rusty Tucker: I will forget about it again then, must be an IE bug :)

Juan Jose Tarud: that's what I believe now

Juan Jose Tarud: let's go back to the outgoing domain thing Ok?

Rusty Tucker: for outgoing domains, you can have just 1

Juan Jose Tarud: even if I have 2 SMTP getaways?

Rusty Tucker: setting up 2 gateways will be very trick

Rusty Tucker: since they can't both be default

Rusty Tucker: it will be hard to do

Juan Jose Tarud: I know but in the User Group I tried using that gateway with the other domain but it does not work

Juan Jose Tarud: It doesn't matter which getaway you specify, it uses the default anyway

Rusty Tucker: right, there isn't a way to tell Mail Server to use one GW for some users, but not others.

Juan Jose Tarud: well, I guess that gives you something to think about :-)

Donald McHose: { off topic } at the bottom of the chat window there is a "?" that turns on voices.What is that? Could we have shades of Timbuck-2's I hear you/ hear me in the future?

Rusty Tucker: It will Say the chat for you if you have Macintalk installed

Jim Leary: <joined the chat>

Donald McHose: Oh.Thanx

Rusty Tucker: I think Bob uses it quite a bit

Jim Leary: <left the chat>

Juan Jose Tarud: Rusty, have you tried the MagicBullets Extension?

Rusty Tucker: no, what is it?

Donald McHose: So will I

Bob Nunn: Kinda nice if you don't want to read it all. I have it read it to me. I pick out different voices and colors for each of you.

Juan Jose Tarud: it is a system extension. You can select a TF Text (e-mails) and press shift-command-C and It quotes it for you

Bob Nunn: That way I can get a little bit of work done and still follow the conversation.

Donald McHose: I don't wear pink well,Bob.

Bob Nunn: Maroon with Junior in a deeper voice.

Rusty Tucker: You sound nice in the "Princess" voice though :)

Bob Nunn: I have you in Victoria (deeper voice) and Orange

Donald McHose: ;-)~

Rusty Tucker: Chris said he's working on 4 channel voices for chat.

Bob Nunn: Wish I had a British accent for Jonathan. and perhaps a Scottish accent for Ken. Probably wouldn't be able to understand it thought. Sounds like fun.

Rusty Tucker: That should be wild

Donald McHose: I hear ya !! no pun intended.

Juan Jose Tarud: where can I get the Spanish voices for Macintalk?

Bob Nunn: Wouldn't we have to type in Spanish?

Rusty Tucker: I don't know if Apple has any other than what ships with OS8

Juan Jose Tarud: Not you but my users do. Once I saw them but I had no time to download them

Rusty Tucker: I tested a #say command in SPML, but it seems to conflict w/ OT or Threading.

Donald McHose: Gots ta run, ya'll be cool-n- safe.Hope ya feel better soon Bob,and Rusty, thanx.

Donald McHose: <left the chat>

Juan Jose Tarud: I just e-mailed you MagicBullets Rusty. See if you can add that function to the Mac User Version

Rusty Tucker: what does it do?

Juan Jose Tarud: told ya

Bob Nunn: Auto Quotes Email?

Juan Jose Tarud: it is a system extension. You can select a TF Text (e-mails) and press shift-command-C and It quotes it for you

Rusty Tucker: OK I missed it in the Talk stuff

Juan Jose Tarud: hard to believe but it does :-)

Bob Nunn: Sounds like something that a few users would like that utility. Put it up when you get a chance.

Juan Jose Tarud: should I upload it to the BBS Utilities?

Bob Nunn: I would like it.

Rusty Tucker: Any last Q's before we turn out the lites?

Juan Jose Tarud: is it me or when you attach a file now, it disappears?

Rusty Tucker: hopefully it doesn't

Bob Nunn: Bye, see you next week. Hopefully over this awful flu.

Daniel Raguse: <left the chat>

Bob Nunn: <left the chat>

Rusty Tucker: see ya

Rusty Tucker: <left the chat>