TeleFinder Chat Log

Text of TeleFinder Chat from Tuesday, November 18, 1997 11 AM PST.

In attendance:

From Spider Island: Rusty Tucker,

Sysops: Bob Nunn, Bob Wright, Ken Sutherland, Jonathan Paisley, Kevin Shearon, Daniel Raguse, mikael fredriksson,

Bob Nunn: Hey Rusty!

Rusty Tucker: Hi!

Bob Wright: greetings

Bob Wright: I only have a couple of minutes

Bob Nunn: Finally installed B7 but still haven't figured out how the alias thing works. Hey Bob!

Rusty Tucker: Hi Bob !

Bob Wright: I have been trying to get BIAP chat to work, but it is not working for me. Any quick tips?

Rusty Tucker: When you set a path "OK for aliases" it won't show up on the desktop

Bob Nunn: You have a telnet port open.. It uses port 23

Bob Nunn: It will not work with a telnet port active.

Rusty Tucker: But - it will let users access files in that area if there is an alias pointing to a file there.

Bob Wright: is the telnet answer for me?

Bob Nunn: Yes. BIAP CHAT uses port 23

Rusty Tucker: Hi Ken

Ken Sutherland: morning

Bob Wright: Bob N: ok, tell a dummy here how to access it....telnet to my system?

Rusty Tucker: BTW- server B8 will be online today. it supports "wildcard" file searching ( * )

Bob Nunn: NOPE you must not have any port 23's open. It will then work and you just address it.

Rusty Tucker: BN u mean close all TF Nodes on Port 23 so that the BIAP chat can use it?

Bob Wright: Bob N: all I know is I dropped the file into my web area, put a html tag like the instructions said, and it does not work. I don't have any port 23's open that I know of.

Bob Nunn: Did you open the source in resedit and change it?

Bob Wright: Bob N: nope, sure did not...and did not see that in the instructions. Did I miss something?

Bob Nunn: Wait am looking

Bob Wright: Well, I hate to run without having answers, but I have an online chat here for the school system I have to get to. How about someone emailing me an answer for BIAP chat at rwright@pps.k12.va.us

Bob Wright: See you guys later. I might try and get back by 12:00 your time

Bob Wright: bye

Bob Nunn: Open in resedit and putting your address in the text file

Bob Nunn: Wildcards on a Mac?

Jonathan Paisley: .

Rusty Tucker: Yep both mac and win

Rusty Tucker: In the mac client you'll select the "matches" option in the find window

Rusty Tucker: The win client is always in the wildcard mode

Rusty Tucker: You'll be able to make searches like *.exe or *qtr* and so on

Rusty Tucker: This server also supports the MIME mapping by mac file type

Ken Sutherland: what does it take for these web based info sites to publish press releases, i sent details to all the popular ones but not 1 has released details, must be because were not from USA

Jonathan Paisley: :)))

Bob Nunn: Will it use a config files for MIME Mapping?

Rusty Tucker: And it has a change in POST handling so that Web-Crossing's CGI will work with TF

Jonathan Paisley: can u explain that change more explicitly?

Rusty Tucker: www_mims.config

Rusty Tucker: will support recs like

Rusty Tucker: mmap .JPG image/jpeg JPEG

Bob Nunn: Will you have the basics preset up or will we need to build it?

Rusty Tucker: where <tab>JPEG adds a Type to the image/jpeg MIME

Rusty Tucker: I've added TEXT, GIFf and JPEG

Bob Nunn: The reason I ask is that it is difficult for me to find how to set up some of the more obscure ones. like mod files etc. that I have on my system.

Rusty Tucker: mod files?

Rusty Tucker: WebX uses a POST command, but does not send any data in the message body for some of its OPs

Bob Nunn: Music files. Sound Trecker plays them. Mostly originally authored on the Amiga there are Mac and Windoze programs for that format now.

Rusty Tucker: TF was kicking those out as an error

Rusty Tucker: BN, u mean u don't know what MIME is supposed to be used?

Bob Nunn: Sort of. I have internet config now and have learned to use it, but how to translate to the format you are using? That is my problem.

Rusty Tucker: o i c

Rusty Tucker: TF's MIME records are like this

Rusty Tucker: they all must start with mmap

Rusty Tucker: then <TAB>

Rusty Tucker: the file extension ( like .txt )

Rusty Tucker: <tab>

Rusty Tucker: then the MIME type string

Rusty Tucker: then optionally <tab>Mac File type ( like TEXT )

Rusty Tucker: or CR to start the next record

Rusty Tucker: so what's the mime for .mod files?

Bob Nunn: Looking.

Bob Nunn: application/octet-stream

Rusty Tucker: the put this in www_mimes.config:

Rusty Tucker: mmap .MOD application/octet-stream

Rusty Tucker: separate each field with a TAB character

Bob Nunn: So file type and creator are not important in this instance?

Rusty Tucker: Hi Daniel!

Daniel Raguse: Greetings

Rusty Tucker: no, TF's preferred matching is by file extension

Rusty Tucker: if there is not a match by extension

Rusty Tucker: TF will re-scan the list to try and find a match by TYPE

Rusty Tucker: what's the mac file type for mod files?

Bob Nunn: Gotcha. So if there are variations in the endings like .tif or .tiff I should map both? Strk

Rusty Tucker: yep

Rusty Tucker: that's a MUST do

Bob Nunn: So if I were to go through and set up all those config type others might find it useful?

Rusty Tucker: :) I'd guess so!

Bob Nunn: I will see what I can do this weekend. I may have more types than most since I still have old Commie 64 and Amiga files available.

Rusty Tucker: especially since using IC really slow's down looking up MIMEs

Ken Sutherland: how many of you use 336 modems and get tf reporting connections above 288

Bob Nunn: I do on a regular basis talking from Supra to Supra.

Bob Nunn: Don't do as well talking to el cheapo and USRs though

Kevin Shearon: Question about TF User and users who have 56 K modems....Do they use the 28.8 setting and modify it so the baud rate is 57.6 K?

Bob Nunn: Or greater if their system will support it.

Kevin Shearon: But the configuration for the 28.8 and 56 K modems are the same other than the baud rate?

Rusty Tucker: That should usually work

Rusty Tucker: Unless the modem manufacturer has changed their command set significantly

Kevin Shearon: any plans for a new modem setup file for 56k modems/

Rusty Tucker: I add them as requested, or as people report a setting that works

Rusty Tucker: so far not much of that has occurred.

Bob Nunn: Really wouldn't make any difference unless they server had the digital setup for the 56k modems would it?

Kevin Shearon: I have TF 5.6b4 and don't see any 56K modems in the Modem setup window

Kevin Shearon: I guess USR Sportster is the main one

Rusty Tucker: I'd guess the Sportster will work using the 288 setup w/o changes

Kevin Shearon: without changing the baud rate?

Rusty Tucker: if someone confirms that I'll add it to the list

Rusty Tucker: br should be 57.6 or >

Kevin Shearon: ok fine K-Rusty

Bob Nunn: Unless the Server running is set up with the digital lines to take advantage of the additional speed it won't matter. You should always run the highest port speed you can. If you can run your 28.8 or 33.6k at 119,2 without any problems then you probably should, right Rusty?

Rusty Tucker: yep

Rusty Tucker: brb

Kevin Shearon: ADSL service is now being offered in the Ottawa area here

Bob Nunn: Is it affordable?

Kevin Shearon: this is what they claim: can reach speeds of 2.2MB per second

Kevin Shearon: for downloading and 1.1MB per second when uploading

Kevin Shearon: why the difference?

Kevin Shearon: cost is about $200/month

Rusty Tucker: there is a total of 3.3 mbs per second

Rusty Tucker: its just how you want to split it up

Bob Nunn: What do you think they would charge additional for a dedicated IP address?

Rusty Tucker: just like the 58.6 k modems

Rusty Tucker: 56 DL, 33K UL

Kevin Shearon: there is also a special on now 12 month subscription price of $65/month

Bob Nunn: Bell South is putting in my ISDN today. Should have my server on it by this weekend. It's only 64k but with the compression of the ASCEND boxes they say the transfer rates are respectable.

Rusty Tucker: the compression will help page xfrs, but not too much on images

Bob Nunn: No more FreePPP! Probably that and the how flaky modem connects are, are my biggest problems.

Bob Nunn: Still haven't figured out a way to pay for OAT. Wire transfer looks like double dip.

Ken Sutherland: gime gime gime

Bob Nunn: Sure would be nice if you could take a VISA

Ken Sutherland: bank is a pain in the rear

Rusty Tucker: KS - u might be able to find a service to take the cards for you

Ken Sutherland: as explained they want 9% just to handle transaction

Bob Nunn: My wife called and talked to the bank their company uses. Looks like about 12% to wire you the money. They charge on both ends so it ends up being outrageous.

Ken Sutherland: international check

Kevin Shearon: Any idea where we could sell the ISDN Pipeline 50 router?

Rusty Tucker: its better than $15 or $25 that a wire costs

Ken Sutherland: what is it

Rusty Tucker: the visa fees are cheaper than wire fees,

Rusty Tucker: what about Kagi? how does there deal work?

Ken Sutherland: hmm, may need to rethink

Rusty Tucker: plus wires and international checks are a BIG hassle for the buyer..

Rusty Tucker: Kagi runs a site where they can buy and DL at the same time

Rusty Tucker: lots of shareware goes thru there

Bob Nunn: Yep the wire thing would work but the buyer would have to specify that they want to pay the charges on both ends or you get stuck with half of it.

Ken Sutherland: i have nearly 50 sysops on eval./beta keys, time to crawl to the bank again

Rusty Tucker: So, does 2.01 rock? :)

Ken Sutherland: now you don't have any reason not to run it 8-)

Ken Sutherland: PPC is still in beta but 68k is only a bit slower

Bob Nunn: I will install it this weekend. Have been running the last version with no problems all the way up to now.

Ken Sutherland: i missed the reply to my 336 modem question when my mac crashed, what was the response

Bob Nunn: I run Supra's Ken and I frequently get 31 to 33 connects on mine here local.

Ken Sutherland: but does tf server log say 31 or 33, mine says unknown

Bob Nunn: Some of the bargain 33/6k don't seem to connect as well. I don't know about the log I watch the digital readouts on my modems.

mikael fredriksson: Sorry I m late got out of our board meeting at work

Bob Nunn: There are days though that the best I can get is 26k. If its rainy etc.

Ken Sutherland: hmm

Bob Nunn: When you get outside the metro area here you won't likely connect as well. Depends on how dirty the line are evidently.

Ken Sutherland: Rusty, do you have a voice number for Kagi

Rusty Tucker: no, try www.Kagi.com

Ken Sutherland: am there now

Ken Sutherland: looks like Kagi might be answer

Bob Nunn: If they could clump your fund transfers together they should be able to run the points down.

Ken Sutherland: but they take about 10%

Bob Nunn: Might be worth it to eliminate the problem of getting you paid. You may have to build part of that in your product costs.

Bob Nunn: One thing I learned in business. Always make it easy for the customer to buy. Price is secondary to that. That's why quick stops still sell groceries.

Ken Sutherland: i tell you, if i could buy a voodoo doll of my nice friendly banker i wood

Ken Sutherland: true

Ken Sutherland: will consider

Bob Nunn: Bankers, and Finance guys are still only slightly above Lawyers.

Ken Sutherland: time to go, catch u later

Ken Sutherland: just

Ken Sutherland: night

Bob Nunn: Gnite. Rusty new version this Friday?

Bob Nunn: mikael, Rusty was telling us he will have Mac wildcard searches in the next server version and has improved the mime handling.

mikael fredriksson: :-)

Bob Nunn: :) Gotta run though back to work :(

Bob Nunn: See ya next Friday.