------------------------------------------------------------------------ TeleFinder Chat from Tuesday, October 20, 1998 11 AM PDT. In attendance: From Spider Island: Rusty Tucker Sysops: Bob Nunn, Mikael Fredriksson, Ken Sutherland, Rick Palmer, Jim Smith, ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Rusty Tucker hola! Rick Palmer joined the chat. Rusty Tucker Welcome to the chat Rick! Bob Nunn : Hey! Ken Sutherland joined the chat. Rusty Tucker Welcome to the chat Ken! Ken Sutherland : hiho Rick Palmer : ks did everything go ok on the domain? Rusty Tucker been having some problems with the listserv here, sorry for the dup. messages Ken Sutherland : they just cut me off, am about to call em Rick Palmer : I paid them Ken Sutherland : Rusty, remember I run a list also, if you want a list here, just ask Ken Sutherland : thanks Rick Palmer : that was several days ago Rusty Tucker I'll get it straightened out... Ken Sutherland : brb, on the phone Rusty Tucker may need to run eims or something to relay, Netcom's mail server does not like long lists of names :( Rick Palmer : RT I saw a PowerKey tickler...does it do a hard reboot or a soft Rusty Tucker It depends on how you define the "Application Timer" in the PowerKey Rick Palmer : are there docs at PowerKey....? Rick Palmer : what ever the name of the company is.. Rusty Tucker I think so... at least there are for the Application Timer. Rusty Tucker Sophisticated Circuits Rick Palmer : right Bob Nunn : PowerKey is from Sophisticated.com I own two of them. Rick Palmer : me too...love them Jim Smith joined the chat. Rusty Tucker Welcome to the chat Jim! Ken Sutherland : not for sale in U.K., s far as I know Rick Palmer : I order from them directly Bob Nunn : Wrong voltage? Perhaps you could help them bust into the market. Don't know that they have a UK version. Bob Nunn : Anybody running Ascend Routers and ever upgrade them? Rick Palmer : I use Timbuktu and can login remote-kill the power to any machine on the network...use intermapper and page now to contact me by pager....pretty slick Bob Nunn : I haven't tried the search features on the docs yet... Was E.G. hard to set up? Rusty Tucker I was going to make a web plug-in to control that stuff... didn't know it there'd be a market Rusty Tucker E.G. is pretty easy to setup Rusty Tucker use the older version though Rusty Tucker you need to enter the paths your self since TeleFinder is not MacHTTP Rusty Tucker its automated setup is hardcoded to look for Web * Rusty Tucker kinda sux Bob Nunn : I think I kept a couple of versions around on my system. Never played with them much. Rusty Tucker for me, it was just a matter of setting 2 paths. one to the web space, the other to the docs folder. Rusty Tucker There are still problems in that it will leak memory while reindexing, so I have the automatic reindex turned off. Rusty Tucker It works, but has very limited customizability Rusty Tucker The search field on the docs page is simply: Rusty Tucker

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Rusty Tucker I just pegged some of the values using hidden fields to simplify the form. Ken Sutherland : . Ken Sutherland : does anyone use CyberStudio? Rusty Tucker I've tried DreamWeaver, and Claris Homepage ( for the new docs ). The 30 day demo was just perfect! :) Bob Nunn : I have CybersStudio 3.1 and the manual is in the bathroom. I am on chapter 4. Rusty Tucker I like the simplicity of Homepage. Generates decent html too. Ken Sutherland : go have a curry and get to chapter 6 Bob Nunn : My favorite is Homepage since it is easy and works with FMPro. I use Cyber to build graphic tables and frames that I import into Homepage. Rusty Tucker Why CybersStudio? Ken Sutherland : is very cool, complete site support Rusty Tucker ic Bob Nunn : It probably is the best thing going. Ken Sutherland : want to get it to support spml Bob Nunn : Them Krauts has brains. Rusty Tucker Strange that none of the support Server Side Includes to any extent. Ken Sutherland : get in there then Rusty Tucker There should be a way to emulate the server side extensions in the editor Ken Sutherland : ill upload the latest 3.1.1 demo for you to try, is great Rusty Tucker but none of the editors I have seen support plug-ins, Rusty Tucker does Cyber? Bob Nunn : I built a library to work with Homepage but I couldn't get it work consistently. It worked fine on the machine I built it on but wouldn't work with other sites. Ken Sutherland : not really sure, its very detailed Bob Nunn : Probably in chapter 57. Rusty Tucker That's probably why MS FrontPage is poopular, it has ASP support in the editor. Ken Sutherland : would be worth you spending a day on to have a look Bob Nunn : The manual is as think as a drive case. Bob Nunn : thick Bob Nunn : I think poopular is a good word to associate with FrontPage. Rusty Tucker Plug-in support would be pretty obvious in the program Bob Nunn : ;-) Rusty Tucker ic :) Bob Nunn : I had to convert a site from FrontPage to work on TF. Bob Nunn : BRB have an interviewee coming in. Rusty Tucker I found a site today that has an ASP based Guest book, the end result is identical to the SPML Guest book, Rusty Tucker but about 5x more complex to code. Rusty Tucker what is cyber's web site? Ken Sutherland : 2 ticks Ken Sutherland : golive.com Rusty Tucker I keep getting "no data" Ken Sutherland : please, rusty c if you can work a way of implementing spml, you would have yet another sales tool Ken Sutherland : 3 ticks Rusty Tucker the main thing is if they have an extensible editor. Ken Sutherland : sorry, failed, cant find it, will email it for you in a wee while Rusty Tucker BBEdit rules for that Rusty Tucker SPML, especially conditional SPML, is probably too much for an HTML editor to handle. Ken Sutherland : www.golive.com Rusty Tucker But, since the spml commands are in HTML comments, you can at least edit them using any of the tools. Ken Sutherland : and I doesn't work, maybe there server is down Rusty Tucker GoLive is having problems at the moment Ken Sutherland : should sell em TeleFinder RT. Ken Sutherland : ? Rusty Tucker I mean the web site is unreachable Ken Sutherland : ah Ken Sutherland : apache, if memory serves me Rusty Tucker Anyone still running OS 8.1? Ken Sutherland : me Ken Sutherland : wimp Rusty Tucker I got some more reports of TeleFinder Crashing while accessing the Prefs window Rusty Tucker all seem to be running 8.1 Ken Sutherland : naw, you got good stable release, go kick there butts Rusty Tucker seems to be something in the appearance manager blowing up Ken Sutherland : server has been up 3 weeks between restart Ken Sutherland : 7500 with 604 200mhz, 128mb ram , running TF, UM, ms, oat Ken Sutherland : has anyone ever configured a mail server either eims or other to handle 3 or more mail domains with pop3 access Rusty Tucker Did you all notice the NNTP client in OS 8.5? Ken Sutherland : nope Rusty Tucker It will keep your Mac's clock synched automagically Jim Smith left the chat. Rusty Tucker c-ya Jim Smith Rusty Tucker Its in the Date + Time control panel. Ken Sutherland : ahh, yup I did Rusty Tucker + I finally figured out how to change the "Command + Tab" switching. Ken Sutherland : ? Rusty Tucker you need to use the MacOS help, and it will run an AppleScript to change the key combo Rusty Tucker 8.5 has a weak form of application switching using command tab. Ken Sutherland : 8.5 help, over 50mb of html Rusty Tucker but, unlike Windows, it just cycles through a circular list of apps, Rusty Tucker Windows always goes in order of most recently in front. Rusty Tucker that makes it handy to switch between a couple apps Ken Sutherland : great, will give it a go Ken Sutherland : what is memory recommendations for TF 5.7 nowadays Rick Palmer : I'm still running 8.1 Rusty Tucker Do you have "Appearance Mgr." turned on? Ken Sutherland : if it ain't bust don't fix it I say Rusty Tucker memory reqs are the same in 5.7 as 5.6. Rusty Tucker + TeleFinder Server will tell you how much it needs if you don't give it enough. Ken Sutherland : Hey Rick, just bought 'red cap 5.1' Rick Palmer : 5.1? Rusty Tucker Linux Ken Sutherland : red hat, sorry, Linux Ken Sutherland : indeed, for PC Rusty Tucker Rick, do you have "Appearance Mgr." turned on? Rick Palmer : I had some problems with 5.1 Rick Palmer : think it was a memory leak Rick Palmer : I have the control panel installed Rick Palmer : I don't think it will run without it ... Rusty Tucker OK -- what machine are u running? Rusty Tucker it should run without it. Rick Palmer : PowerComputing 180 Rusty Tucker ok Ken Sutherland : confirmed, mine is on, was told not to switch off or system may not boot Rick Palmer : I can try...I also have an Apple 7100 Rusty Tucker if you get a chance, break into Macsbug ( command-powerkey ) and run a stdlog. Ken Sutherland : snap Rick Palmer : me Rusty Tucker both would be great, also can you access TF's Preferences dialog? Rick Palmer : I'm 40 miles from the server...think I'll wait for that maneuver Ken Sutherland : yes Rusty Tucker no, I'm talking about the TeleFinder client, not the server. Rick Palmer : yes Rick Palmer : what to look for? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ October 20, 1998 -- ©Copyright 1998, Spider Island Software