---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Text of TeleFinder Chat from Friday, February 6, 1998 11 AM PST. In attendance: From Spider Island: Rusty Tucker, Sysops: Jim Smith, Bill Gram-Reefer, Donald McHose, Bob Nunn, Jim DeHaven, Michael Davidson, Dick Grable, Ken Sutherland, mikael fredriksson, Daryl Hansen, ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim Smith: < < joined the chat> > Bob Nunn: < < joined the chat> > Bill Gram-Reefer: < < joined the chat> > Donald McHose: < < joined the chat> > Bob Nunn: Going to buy some FileMaker Inc. stock? Jim DeHaven: < < joined the chat> > Bill Gram-Reefer: They just got marginalized big time Donald McHose: buy something that doesn't even have a web page ? Donald McHose: ;-)\ Bill Gram-Reefer: Half their profit last year was from OS8 Sales Bob Nunn: Bothers me. Think FileMaker is a good program and well worth the price. I hope it doesn't lose momentum but how can it not? Donald McHose: I would think that the "A" powers would let them "FileMaker staff " still run their own show Rusty Tucker: < < joined the chat> > Donald McHose: Why screw with something that works and makes $ Bob Nunn: I hope so and I hope they make more inroads into the windows market. Nice having a good program on both platforms. Bob Nunn: We were talking about FileMaker Inc. etc. Bob Nunn: Have any of you been on MacNexus's Web BBS? Donald McHose: No? Donald McHose: What is up? Bob Nunn: I am very impressed. I hear they use a lot of Frontier scripts to do some of that. Michael Davidson: < < joined the chat> > Michael Davidson: hi Dick Grable: < < joined the chat> > Rusty Tucker: I'll be releasing the "change password" plugin later today. Michael Davidson: Hey guys, I have to leave in a few minutes but I have a couple of questions? Rusty Tucker: sure MD Michael Davidson: I'm getting a cable modem and they are giving me only one IP#. and they want to charge me $10 a month if I have a domain name and use their DNS. Bob Nunn: Don't complain..... Michael Davidson: Should I use MacDNS and save $10 a month...if so, what else do I need to run and is it worth the hassle Bill Gram-Reefer: what a rip...told you these guys are gonna nickel and dime anyone who wants to publish not just suck Rusty Tucker: To do your own domain you'll need secondary and primary servers. Michael Davidson: Do I need to run anything besides TF and MacDNS? Rusty Tucker: With 1 IP that's gonna be tough to do Michael Davidson: I must have secondary servers? Rusty Tucker: for DNS,yes Bill Gram-Reefer: 1 IP # almost forces you to go the VIG route Michael Davidson: They charge me $10 month for each IP# (up to 4)...used to get 4 for free Michael Davidson: They forbid masking and probably VIG Michael Davidson: (used to not forbid it) Rusty Tucker: I knew I didn't want my cable co. as my ISP :) Rusty Tucker: hell, I don't even want them as my cable co! Michael Davidson: Ok, so if I had 2 IP#s could I sneak by RT Dick Grable: < < left the chat> > Michael Davidson: I hate that I have to pay $25 for cable TV that I don't want Rusty Tucker: Technically, they want to charge $10/ month for each extra TV too, so I am not at all surprised Donald McHose: Boy is that true ! Went DSS in a fit two years ago. Bill Gram-Reefer: grrrrr Michael Davidson: but for $65 a month I get high speed access 24/7 and one IP#...isn't that about as good as I can get? Bill Gram-Reefer: how much was the modem and the setup fee? Rusty Tucker: Sounds good for surfing. Michael Davidson: modem is free and setup is $25-$50 Bill Gram-Reefer: is it synchronous? hi-speed two way? or is it hi speed down channel and your up speed at 33.6? Michael Davidson: don't even want to surf...just have a TF web site is all Michael Davidson: yes BGR Michael Davidson: 2 way (hybrid cable) Bill Gram-Reefer: yes synchronous? at what speed? Michael Davidson: just second on the speed issue Donald McHose: Q: Donald McHose: Is any body having great success with the mail -pi on a multi-access group server? Bill Gram-Reefer: MD what would they charge you to map another domain name to your one IP address Ken Sutherland: < < joined the chat> > Ken Sutherland: hiya Michael Davidson: I don't know BGR. also, about the speed, i can't remember ...I think its just less than a 128 ISDN Bob Nunn: Hey Ken! Donald McHose: HELLO KEN ! Bill Gram-Reefer: shoot, I thought your were talking 10 Mbps... Rusty Tucker: Daryl at Maui seems to be DM Bob Nunn: DM? Rusty Tucker: == Donald McHose Donald McHose: RT: thanks Michael Davidson: here's the speed they quote: Cable modem speeds range from 500Kbps to 10Mbps Donald McHose: Ken I am still getting errors for the mail _PI .Users see the mail file but cannot access it ?They get an error message. Bill Gram-Reefer: OK, that sounds a lot better than ISDN, then Michael Davidson: So, where do I go to get info like RT telling me that "To do your own domain you'll need secondary and primary servers." Michael Davidson: Is there online info? Ken Sutherland: brb Michael Davidson: well, I'm sure I'll never see 10Mbps Bob Nunn: If they point to you and you aren't using a router which requires a number and you are not running a DNS server you can run with just the one, right guys. Donald McHose: I know a cable user in Main that would fight to lose his.He says cable is the only way. He pays $50.00/month for everything Donald McHose: brb Michael Davidson: Maybe, they could be my secondary server...is that possible RT? (or would I be the secondary server) Shows how much I need a source of info Ken Sutherland: DM, its a cookie problem Ken Sutherland: we are working on it Bill Gram-Reefer: Rusty, adobe charges $2 per minute for support! Rusty Tucker: me too - starting now. :) Michael Davidson: o no, I'm going to go broke Rusty Tucker: You'll have to think about it from now on. Rusty or the 900# girls.... Donald McHose: KS: What is a Cookie problem? Bob Nunn: Perhaps someone needs to offer a discount support service. I would do it for half that and not answer your questions equally as well. Ken Sutherland: sorry DM, its kids time Ken Sutherland: brb Rusty Tucker: DM- he means that there is a bug in Web Mail they are working to fix. Donald McHose: I'll do it and let my 12 yr. old fem. just babble. Donald McHose: RT: THANKS Bob Nunn: In the south here we define a cookie problem is when weevils get in the jar. Bill Gram-Reefer: BN hahah Donald McHose: I hear ya ! ;-) Rusty Tucker: Cookie probs seem better than CREAM PIE probs :) Donald McHose: )) . I got blamed for that at work. Michael Davidson: Dumb question: Can I run TF Web Server without using my own domain name but have a web site using my domain name point to my TF Web site? Rusty Tucker: MD- I think you'll need to pay them the $10/ mo for DNS Michael Davidson: Netscape cookie Bob Nunn: That really is a good price even with the extra 10. Jim DeHaven: BN--I was just looking at the Mac Nexus site--I think they use tango Michael Davidson: simpler dumb question: CAN I run TF Web Server without using my domain name (using cableispdomain.com/`davidsonm Rusty Tucker: BTW - I'm working on a plug-in chat will make a chart of server requests per hour for the last 24 hrs Rusty Tucker: The chart is out put as a JPEG image Rusty Tucker: just another goody for the bag of tricks Jim DeHaven: I had a brief cardiac--I thought you started to say plug in CHAT Donald McHose: RT:Nice I can use that.....JH that would be better ) Rusty Tucker: MD you only need a IP address to run the servers Rusty Tucker: I've got to get into Java mode for that one. Michael Davidson: I might have to pay em the $10. Thanks everybody for your help. Gotta run. Thanks Rusty...I owe you more than $2. :) bye Rusty Tucker: OK! I'll put in on the books Michael Davidson: < < left the chat> > mikael fredriksson: < < joined the chat> > mikael fredriksson: Hi! Rusty Tucker: I'm sketching the chart out now at http://explorer.spiderisland.com/chart.html Rusty Tucker: This has 'dummy' data and lacks labels. Rusty Tucker: But it should give you an idea of the layout. Ken Sutherland: chart? Jim DeHaven: ooooohh Rusty Tucker: TeleFinder keeps a scrolling total of hits per hour for each of the last 24hrs Rusty Tucker: So I will put this info in a graph that you can look up at anytime Donald McHose: My turn to get the kids, KS send me a note explaining this cookie thingy.Thanks Don Donald McHose: < < left the chat> > Bob Nunn: I like it! Ken Sutherland: me2 mikael fredriksson: and me 2 2 ;) Bob Nunn: Will you have that up tonite you think? Rusty Tucker: I hope to have something ready this PM Rusty Tucker: it's really pretty close now Rusty Tucker: Last nite I made a Plug-in to generate Mandelbrot sets in a JPEG just to test with Rusty Tucker: I always like them :) Rusty Tucker: you can see that one at http://explorer.spiderisland.com/mandel.spml Rusty Tucker: You can get a really wild view with these coordinates: Jim DeHaven: ahhh Rusty Tucker: zoom 9600%, xorg -1.4, yorg -.0013, width 800, height 800 Ken Sutherland: rusty, qt, can you remember how Steve Hawkins pasted it into a settings file Jim DeHaven: how about a random generation of coordinates? Rusty Tucker: That would be fun! Bob Nunn: Now that's fun.... Bill Gram-Reefer: well boyz and qerlz, see you next week, same bat time same bat channel Rusty Tucker: c ya BGR Bill Gram-Reefer: < < left the chat> > Rusty Tucker: The Mandel.spml file is pretty cool Rusty Tucker: It takes the CGI params, and passes them to the plug-in, and echos them in the form. Jim DeHaven: Rusty--Internet explorer for PC's has the option to turn off http 1.1 but the mac does not--are you or anyone here aware of how to turn this off for a mac? Rusty Tucker: If they are missing, it fills in defaults. Rusty Tucker: I don't know if its even supported on mac Rusty Tucker: ^http 1.1 Jim DeHaven: hmmmm Rusty Tucker: ok, the explorer server is back up now Jim DeHaven: well IE for the mac 4.0 has trouble connecting with SI so i assumed..... Rusty Tucker: what server version are you using? Rusty Tucker: I haven't tried IE4 mac out yet Jim DeHaven: I am still using 5.5 rusty Jim DeHaven: I have not changed yo 5.6 because of the problem we spoke of Rusty Tucker: Crashing on realm changes? Jim DeHaven: yes rusty--that's the one Bob Nunn: Mine does that but I have traced it to a plug in I am running. Rusty Tucker: which one BN? Jim DeHaven: OH???? a possible solution? Bob Nunn: The Chat PI Jim DeHaven: No--I am not running that plug in on the problem machine Rusty Tucker: what PI's are u running? Jim DeHaven: finger mail wsapi usermanager Daryl Hansen: hmmm. That's not too bad. It's better than the alternative. Jim DeHaven: perhaps I should disable them and see if one is causing the problem Rusty Tucker: sounds good Rusty Tucker: also get the 5.6.2b3 so that I can compare your results to the current code Rusty Tucker: + a Macsbugs stdlog when it crashes, thanks. Jim DeHaven: OK--I tried it last night it also crashed but I will do the plug in thing tonite and do the macsbug log Ken Sutherland: brb Rusty Tucker: Jim's was crashing if a user logged into one realm Rusty Tucker: then linked to a page in a different realm, the server would crash before Jim DeHaven: into one realm but into (sequentially) two different access groups Rusty Tucker: it could send the new login request Daryl Hansen: I'm using "keep it up" now and it works very well for auto quits, but not for freezes. Bob Nunn: When I need to make changes I disable the pi's quit TFS for a second and restart. I then make changes, quit TFS and then re-enable my PI's and start again. Just takes a minute. Ken Sutherland: anyone know what's going to be in System 8.2 yet Jim DeHaven: bug fixes for 8.0 Rusty Tucker: lots of new code from what I here Rusty Tucker: probably means lots of new bugs :( Daryl Hansen: < < joined the chat> > Ken Sutherland: MauiMail is here Rusty Tucker: Hi Daryl! Bob Nunn: macosrumours has a good piece on it ken. Daryl Hansen: Aloha Rusty! mikael fredriksson: < < left the chat> > Ken Sutherland: i have d9 Rusty Tucker: We've getting the "Pineapple Express" today, and for a few more days too :( Ken Sutherland: ? mikael fredriksson: < < joined the chat> > Rusty Tucker: Cold Front out of Alaska mixing with a lot of warm moist air from Hawaii Rusty Tucker: AKA - "El Nino" Daryl Hansen: Rusty, thanks for the tip about the missing redirect.spml file! Rusty Tucker: u bet Rusty Tucker: Daryl is running "keep it up" and a few utils like it. Rusty Tucker: Didn't I hear about some problems with that? Ken Sutherland: u mean it works Daryl Hansen: U'h oh shouldn't be talking about the weather Daryl Hansen: It works for me, and very well! Rusty Tucker: I don't know. I remember one of those Inits -caused- as many crashes as it restarted. Ken Sutherland: auto boot 1.5 Daryl Hansen: The readme file said that it has been updated to work with 8.1 Rusty Tucker: ahh ok Daryl Hansen: Auto boot 1.6 runs, but I'm not sure I like the idea of an INIT Rusty Tucker: We need a Server Utility FAQ Ken Sutherland: great Ken Sutherland: that will help when tf server bombs out with those type 2 errors Ken Sutherland: i might ad i have not had them recently though Rusty Tucker: 0 bombs for me running 5.6 -- knock on wood Daryl Hansen: Right now I would piss on a spark plug if I thought it would help. Ken Sutherland: will tell him Ken Sutherland: ouch Jim DeHaven: rusty are you selling that Mandelbrot generator? Jim DeHaven: I will piss on a spark plug too if I can get it Rusty Tucker: Keep sending the Logs Daryl! Sooner or later it will make sense. Daryl Hansen: Rusty, the File upload capability. Does that just send files as attachments or separate files? Ken Sutherland: what's rusty's favorite saying, 'Make me an offer" Bob Nunn: I think it kept me off line more than it kept me on. It would kill me during lollipop and stuff. Ken Sutherland: 8-) Daryl Hansen: Yes, I will keep collecting log files :) Rusty Tucker: I'll put it up tonite as a standalone too. Daryl Hansen: Great thanks! Jim DeHaven: cool--thanks Daryl Hansen: Who wrote Suzie? Rusty Tucker: Chris S. Ken Sutherland: Chris Rusty Tucker: A long time ago..... Daryl Hansen: That is a fantastic app! Daryl Hansen: Hats off to Chris! Bob Nunn: I always thought Autoboot it killed me more than it helped. I like my PowerKey pro a lot. It does reset sometimes unnecessarily but it always resets after a crash and you can call it. Daryl Hansen: < < left the chat> > Rusty Tucker: I'm going to add PowerKey support to TF. Rusty Tucker: They've sent me a unit to test with. Rusty Tucker: Hopefully the built-in support will prevent the erroneous restarts Bob Nunn: Fantastic!! Ken Sutherland: a sys7 load detector would be good Rusty Tucker: What do yo mean Ken? Bob Nunn: I have a hunch that Mail Server may be the culprit about the surprise PowerKey restarts but its just a hunch. Ken Sutherland: Bob, you said the PowerKey didn't work correctly when a sys6 app was running due to excessive system hog, correct Ken Sutherland: AKA MacKennel etc... Bob Nunn: Not sure about sys6, but Norton kills its for sure if it runs too long. Ken Sutherland: ie if something sucks down hard it could look like a hang Bob Nunn: I can make it happen anytime with Norton. It just does it randomly with everything else working. I am running the max 1020 second delay also. It really is the way there software detects I expect. Jim DeHaven: I gotta get back to work--see ya Ken Sutherland: was talking to PowerKey, yesterday, am going to look into developing a UK version Rusty Tucker: TeleFinder will need to get sometime. I was thinking about a 1 or 2 minute period between tickles. Rusty Tucker: If it doesn't get CPU for that amount of time, PowerKey will assume its crashed. Bob Nunn: Sounds reasonable to me. Jim DeHaven: < < left the chat> > Rusty Tucker: Any last q's before we wrap it? Jim Smith: BN: a while back you told me to get rid of the thumbnail on graphic files, How do you do that? Bob Nunn: JPEG view 3.3 click off the option boxes. Makes files really small. Jim Smith: What about the preview? Rusty Tucker: see yall next week! Ken Sutherland: < < left the chat> > Rusty Tucker: < < left the chat> > mikael fredriksson: < < left the chat> > Bob Nunn: See ya next week! ------------------------------------------------------------------ February 6, 1998 -- �Copyright 1998, Spider Island Software