or 5.6.2 user.. Michael Davidson: probably easier to use something different than the less than and more than symbols, something that doesn't make a sound mikael fredriksson: And me that have trouble to get it to speak after I lost my startup disk Rusty Tucker: - Upload and Download folders Michael Davidson: or just leave the sounds out and use capital letters instead Bob Wright: RT: but the new look in the mailbox is GREAT....but the "less than less than...greater than greater than" thing has to go ;) Michael Davidson: Tell us more RT! Rusty Tucker: Keep the xfrs Window in one place when there are a lot of xfrs. ( so it doesn't keep "popping up" ) Rusty Tucker: The "Replacing" file transfers. Michael Davidson: I meant "just leave the SYMBOLS (not sounds) out and use capital letters instead" Rusty Tucker: A "Transfer log" type of window, that shows Past and Queued transfers. Bob Wright: RT: and though this is no big deal, I can shift-click items from the mailbox ONLY IF I don't click on the field with the login and date. Rusty Tucker: The Transfer log will let you "Suspend or Cancel" the pending transfers too. Rusty Tucker: BW- do you know when that started? Bill Gram-Reefer: gotta run guys see you soon bye Michael Davidson: Suspend, even if not zmodem Bob Wright: RT: MD has a good point :) Bill Gram-Reefer: <> Michael Davidson: e.g., Joe Cool: JOINED THE CHAT Bob Wright: RT: when I upgraded to 5.6.2b4 version of TFUser Rusty Tucker: OK - I'll check that out, what did you use before? Bob Wright: I went from 5.5.1 to 5.6.2b4 Rusty Tucker: OK- thanks Bob Wright: Even then I could not shift-click on the login and date field Bob Wright: In fact, the only way to shift-click was by clicking on the icon Rusty Tucker: MD- the current beta's support Transfer Recovery, even in the background protocol. Ken Sutherland: please have xfrs at front when used Rusty Tucker: KS? Michael Davidson: o, didn't realize that. Bob Wright: So is there way to get rid of this "less than less than....greater than greater than" 'problem'?? Rusty Tucker: I'll have to think about it. I don't want to use all caps, its FUGLY Bob Wright: Hearing something like that will blow the minds of k-5 students George: <> Bob Wright: without the voice feature, chat is USELESS for k-5 students. Half of them cant read Michael Davidson: How bout, just have their name instead of "<> Ken Sutherland: with the xfrs at front i know when someone is transfering just by looking at screen Rusty Tucker: I'll have to see how Chris implemented the chat speaker. Michael Davidson: E.g., Rusty Tucker: Rusty Tucker Bob Wright: RT: thanky! 8-) Rusty Tucker: I'd like to keep the screen as is, but make it say "Rusty Tucker left the chat" Bob Wright: RT: that will be ok :) Rusty Tucker: rb Rusty Tucker: ok Bob Wright: I don't get the difference with the chat that I have now and the "chat rooms" you put in the newer version of TF?!?!?! Michael Davidson: It would be nice to have the << and >> on screen and have it not speak them, but I would rather have no >>'s than have it say them. George: <> Ken Sutherland: RT, the download basket, any chance of it having persistent memory until download confirmed please, ie you could download a selection of files over a number of logons? Rusty Tucker: KS - I want to make the transfer window stay wherever you leave it. Rusty Tucker: The earlier versions did not log users entering and leaving the room. Ken Sutherland: how do i specify the window Michael Davidson: Concerning Kens idea and the transfer log idea. It would be nice to be able to keep a "to be dloaded " list in the Transfer window for latter dload (like AOL kind of) Bob Wright: What does this mean, RT: adds "Chat Channel" records to Access Groups to support use of Chat Rooms at any level of the BBS. Bob Wright: So I can log or record the chats? Rusty Tucker: Go to "TeleFinder BBS/Beta/Chat/ Rusty Tucker: There is a Chat Room in that folder! Michael Davidson: you can put chats inside specific areas, not just on the bbs desktop BW Bob Wright: I saw that...still don't get it!! I don't see what is different with that and what I have now? Michael Davidson: which is cooooool Bob Wright: Oh, so I can put a chat inside of a folder called 5th graders, and then only those with access group of 5th graders can get that chat? Rusty Tucker: Yes and no. Michael Davidson: now you get it! Bob Wright: ahhh......! Rusty Tucker: All Chat rooms are really "chat server channels" Ken Sutherland: is limit still 16 channels? Rusty Tucker: We're talking on Channel 1, the Chat Room in the chat folder is also channel 1 Rusty Tucker: so if you open it, you'll be in this chat. Rusty Tucker: There are 32k channels! Bob Wright: right, I follow that Michael Davidson: in the Beta chat folder you meant Bob Wright: what makes that different than the "chat room" Rusty Tucker: It works the same. Bob Wright: its just not on the desktop, right? Bob Nunn: The IM's are on a different channel then? Rusty Tucker: But you can put it where -ever you want. Rusty Tucker: IM's are not on a "channel" they go direct. Bob Wright: Now I am following you!!!! Rusty Tucker: Now get this. Michael Davidson: But he could make a chat room that only 5th graders had access to because it was only channel in the 5th grade area, correct RT Rusty Tucker: Anyone can make a channel, as long as they have uploading privileges. Rusty Tucker: This means anyone with a mailbox can make a channel in their mailbox. Rusty Tucker: So that may not be too good. Bob Wright: so you can IM someone, ask them to join you on a channel that you created? Michael Davidson: Since when, and how RT? :) How do you make a chat channel in your mailbox? Rusty Tucker: So use of Channel is a privilege in the Access Group. Rusty Tucker: By access Group you set a range of channels that the users can 'tune in to' Bob Wright: well, I will read this discussion later. I have tennis practice. take care all. Thanks for the info, RT. Bob Wright: <> Rusty Tucker: MD - make a chat file, then upload it into your mailbox. Michael Davidson: I don't know how to make a chat file :) Rusty Tucker: Did you read the "Setting up Chat" info? Michael Davidson: Obviously not! Ken Sutherland: catch u later, time for supper Rusty Tucker: :) Ken Sutherland: RT, keep those fingers burning Rusty Tucker: Hang on.. Dan O put together some good docs.. Jim Smith: This is a MAC we don't read docs ;-) Rusty Tucker: Background: There are 3 items in the Chat folder. The first is a sample Chat Room file called "Chat Room." The second is an application called CHATEJT3 which changes the Type and Creator to that required of a chat room file (Type="CHAT" and Creator="EJT3"). The last is a document that describes the format for the data within the chat room file called "setting up chat." To create chat room files, you: 1. Create a text file with any text editor such as SimpleText or BBEdit. 2. The first item in the file is the record type. This is ALWAYS "chat" (without the quotes.) 3. Enter a TAB character right after the word "CHAT". 4. Enter a number that represents the "chat channel". This can be any integer in the range of 1-32000 (or is it 1-32767????). This number should also be within the ranges allowed by your configuration in the new User Manager program. 5. Enter a TAB character right after the chat channel number. 6. Enter the number of the icon id you waă ËÜ Rusty Tucker: <> Ken Sutherland: <> Rusty Tucker: <> Rusty Tucker: 6. Enter the number of the icon id you want displayed in TF/User for this chat room. This too, is an integer, but I am not certain of the valid range. In any case, it should match up to a resource ID in your TF/User program or your custom settings file. I suppose that matching up with TF/User is better since TF/User for Windows does not yet know how to deal with settings files. 7. Enter a TAB character after the icon ID number. 8. Close and save the file under the the name of the room you want displayed from TF/User. 9. Drop the file onto the application to change its TYPE and CREATOR info to that required by TF. 10. Copy the chat room file to any locations desired in the BBS layout. 11. Repeat the above steps for other chat room files. You can organize these any way you wish, just be sure to align the chat channels with the ranges in your access groups, and the icon ID with one in TF/User or your settings file. 12. If you have not yet done so, set up the allowable chat channel ranges in User Mae *Ą Rusty Tucker: 12. If you have not yet done so, set up the allowable chat channel ranges in User Manager for each of your access groups. Rusty Tucker: At Spider Island, everyone has access to channels 1-1000 Rusty Tucker: You can also open a chat room by Apple Script, no Icon needed at all. Rusty Tucker: There's a chat script in the "Little Scripts" folder that does that. Rusty Tucker: So 3 users could join a common chat room just by running a script. Rusty Tucker: I'm sure a 'scanner' is not to far off :) Bob Nunn: Are you going to talk a bit about the process new user? Michael Davidson: Ok, I'm not sure I will use it, but it might come in handy. BTW, where is the "Setting Up Chat" info? Michael Davidson: ;fds Rusty Tucker: Sure BN Rusty Tucker: I think Daniel was going to juice up that script a bit Rusty Tucker: I put some "Inside Mac" AppleScript docs online today Bob Nunn: I thought that is what it was. I may take a stab as well. Rusty Tucker: Scripting documentation is not that easy to find.. Bob Nunn: I think you learn by instinct. Rusty Tucker: The next step will be to make it possible for a script or program to "listen" to a channel too. Rusty Tucker: Instant "externals" ! Bob Nunn: and most of us would have been killed by now if it was up to our instincts. :-) Michael Davidson: What event could be hooked into in a chat Rusty Tucker: Chat Channels can transmit binary data, so there are lots of possibilities. Michael Davidson: Is an event triggered when Rusty Tucker joins the chat? Bob Nunn: so you could send gifs for example? Rusty Tucker: Yes, but it stays inside TeleFinder right now. In the future, a script or program will be able to get the event too. Michael Davidson: Not sure I can deal with binary data, but I am half-decent with scripting Rusty Tucker: Here's an example. Rusty Tucker: You know Ken's IM help? Bob Nunn: Yes Michael Davidson: yes Rusty Tucker: A user would be able to login, and by a TF User "Chat Extension", be able to create their own help channel while logged in. Rusty Tucker: Or you could use a Script to Filter IM's Rusty Tucker: The Script could see them first, and then auto-respond, or pass them back to TF for regular display. Rusty Tucker: That could be some fun! Michael Davidson: :) Rusty Tucker: I could go to lunch and let a bot do my chat! Bob Nunn: Eliza responses apparently live? Michael Davidson: Might be nice if you could implement the chat event AppleEvent soon for outside TF. Rusty Tucker: Yep! Bob Nunn: Tell me "Bob" how does "TFS crashing again" make you feel?? ;-) Rusty Tucker: BTW - do you know how to make a script stay up and running? Michael Davidson: Does the event only record the name of the chatter, or can his text be passed on too? Rusty Tucker: name, text, and channel if it a chat room Rusty Tucker: name and text only if its an IM Rusty Tucker: Channels also have the User Entered, and User Left events. Rusty Tucker: + the Channel Open and Close Michael Davidson: Wow, so I could type something in a "HELP" chat room and or IM and get certain help info in response or even have e.g. an email to sysop come up and be ready to send. Rusty Tucker: anything, its wide open Michael Davidson: on the script stay running Rusty, just keep the loop going, if I understand you correctly Rusty Tucker: Yes, my "ProcessNewUser" script opens, does its thing and the closes. Rusty Tucker: That takes time. I want to have it stay open, and ready for another event. Rusty Tucker: I could make a Magic 8 ball chat room. Bob Nunn: Use the little known neverend command. Need a Goto don't we? Michael Davidson: Keep a outside (counting) loop going until the event triggers it to take action, but never leave the outside loop Rusty Tucker: I need to find some AppleScript docs Rusty Tucker: and see some samples. Michael Davidson: Rusty, best source is MacScript archives Rusty Tucker: Well time for me to go. Bob Nunn: Madam Zelda comes to life.. Not seen anything good. Read most of what I could find. Michael Davidson: and let me give you a site for searching all the Applescript mailserver archives ------------------------------------------------------------------ February 27, 1998 -- ŠCopyright 1998, Spider Island Software