---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Text of TeleFinder Chat from Tuesday, September 30, 1997 11 AM PDT. In attendance: From Spider Island: Rusty Tucker, Sysops: Michael Davidson, mikael fredriksson, Jim S, Ken Sutherland, Kevin Shearon, Teatse Nieuweling, Bob Nunn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Nunn: Greetings Rusty Tucker: Good Morn Rusty Tucker: got my clocks set w/ Vyrema now :) Bob Nunn: Don't know if you had noticed but I got the chat files up in the sysop UD area. We aren't that fancy here. Rusty Tucker: I saw that - thanks! Rusty Tucker: Didn't know if you'd catch the note in the chat log Bob Nunn: Almost didn't, I don't always read for content everything if I am in a hurry. Happened to have a minute and read all the way through it. Rusty Tucker: brb (be right back) Bob Nunn: Also noticed the empty folder in the UD area. That clinched it. Ok Rusty Tucker: I need to get Jon's mail-pi installed now that he has the header fix in. Bob Nunn: Yep, I have it up now. I was looking for a line of code I can't get to work to see if you could shed some lite on it for me. Rusty Tucker: ok Bob Nunn: Rusty Tucker: looks about right Bob Nunn: this is supposed to go into dir spml and topic spml Bob Nunn: I put it there and get an error. Rusty Tucker: what error? Bob Nunn: It just says Error - it evidently calls up one of his error pages. Bob Nunn: Says something like things are amiss Rusty Tucker: sounds like its getting called correctly them Rusty Tucker: it needs to see the name and password present, so the page needs to be in a Realm area Bob Nunn: Could it be the way my realms are set up. I have some pages that are called for dir.spml that a user doesn't have to be logged into. Ah! Perhaps I just need to set up the page in the topics area. mikael fredriksson: Hi! Bob Nunn: Hey mikael Rusty Tucker: Yeah, or check for a realm before calling the exec code. Rusty Tucker: Hi Mikael Bob Nunn: Where does it remember when you log into a site? Bob Nunn: Hello Ken Ken Sutherland: hiya Bob Nunn: Sure like the little mail pi. Been having fun with it. Rusty Tucker: You log into each request, although usually the browser does it for you Ken Sutherland: thanks Ken Sutherland: good to hear mikael fredriksson: Hi Ken! Rusty Tucker: The browser sends the name and pw along with each request it thinks is in a realm Ken Sutherland: hi Jim Ken Sutherland: hi mikael mikael fredriksson: I get a error when I logout from the mail plug in mikael fredriksson: Not Found Your requested page does not exist on this server. The link you followed is either outdated, inaccurate, or the server has been instructed not to let you have it. Bob Nunn: I noticed that ancient browsers don't remember and you have to log into each but the newer ones seem to remember that you have logged in. Just wondering where it was stored. Hadn't considered. Bob Nunn: The older /mail/ templates didn't have that problem by the way mikael. Ken Sutherland: Mikael, did you put the mail folder in the right place? Bob Nunn: There is an error there Ken I get it to. Was going to track it down. Ken Sutherland: all the better Bob Nunn: It was probably on one of those 12 pages or so you changed the code in. Jim S.: Hi all, man this slow;-) Rusty Tucker: quick here Ken Sutherland: I am just sending email to the 40 or so beta testers who are testing OAT to say we are extending the test for another month due to stubborn bugs Ken Sutherland: we fix 1 thing and another goes bang Rusty Tucker: :) - been there, done that! Bob Nunn: Still like it. Ken Sutherland: watched the mushroom cloud Jim S.: isn't programming fun:) Bob Nunn: Too many variables, always the problem. Ken Sutherland: i am having a long term relationship with a type1 Ken Sutherland: to spice it up i occasionally go for a type 3 Ken Sutherland: and on a really slow day i look forward to a type 11 Jim S.: Key: are you using Spotlight? Ken Sutherland: yup Ken Sutherland: beta Ken Sutherland: release Bob Nunn: Rusty, if you would do an spml example of a way to randomly set page colors from a given list for me, I would put it in a format with instructions and expound on the examples assuming I can grok the concept. mikael fredriksson: Yep, I put the mail folder in Web Space folder Ken Sutherland: the good news for us is that we have been asked to make both our web mail plug in and our web search compatible with Apple's IP5, was asked by Apple UK on the compatibility mikael fredriksson: Can you add support for changing your outbound domain in the mail cgi Ken Sutherland: why, it can be done using OAT Ken Sutherland: we have over a dozen outgoing domains on highlander mikael fredriksson: Will only use the mail plug in ;-) Ken Sutherland: tuf, 8-) Ken Sutherland: will consider adding it in future release Rusty Tucker: Hello Teatse! Teatse Nieuweling: Its been a while since I've been on Spider Islands BBS! Jim S.: Ken: In OAT setup do you need to link TF, MS or UM to OAT, I can;t find that in doc. any more? Rusty Tucker: We have these chats every Tues and Fri @ 11 am Michael Davidson: Hi all! Teatse Nieuweling: Hello Rusty! Never been able to talk to you directly. Thanks for Telefinder, a fine program! mikael fredriksson: and add that you can change in your "Address Book" Rusty Tucker: Hi Michael! Ken Sutherland: u link oat to server, um (User Manager) and ms, and to get mail filtering to work you then link MS to OAT as the UM Rusty Tucker: Thanks much! Ken Sutherland: Hi Michael Jim S.: that IT..:8) Michael Davidson: Jim S., I sent you email on the preferences box about a half hour ago. Bob Nunn: Ken is it too late to get an entry in on your icon? Jim S.: MD: just look at it, will read it later. Ken Sutherland: Nope, we have been busy and still have no icon as yet Bob Nunn: Will give it a shot, had an idea. Michael Davidson: Rusty, I think I found a problem with RFC 822 gateway. When it is set up incorrectly, it doesn't handle misaddressed mail. MS logs says its writing the message but it really doesn't Rusty Tucker: Anyone catch Apple's new TV ad? Ken Sutherland: i never have been the artistic type Ken Sutherland: any good Ken Sutherland: what theme Michael Davidson: Maybe somebody's wife would be better at the Popcicle icon thing mikael fredriksson: Downloaded the QT movie.. Rusty Tucker: "Great people are confused, misunderstood and different" Michael Davidson: Also, I have found a small problem about the Popsicle name, it is a trademark... Rusty Tucker: or something like that that :) Jim S.: OH!NO! :-0 Bob Nunn: Put a y in it Popsycle is not nor is Popcycle Michael Davidson: but the name might be so common that it cannot stand as a trademark Rusty Tucker: that's ok, I don't think any one will confuse a s/w program with a frozen treat Rusty Tucker: Maytag has a "Performa" washing machine for example Michael Davidson: That's what I was thinking Bob, or spell it like Jim does already, POPCICLE Bob Nunn: I never could advertise sheet rock it was always gypsum wallboard. Michael Davidson: Did Jim tell you guys that his program works (that is, it does download pop mail) Rusty Tucker: The Popsicle trademark applies only to frozen treats. Nothing else Ken Sutherland: i could say something but wont\ Michael Davidson: Great rusty; that's good to hear. Michael Davidson: Lollipop could have been used but somebody took that name already :) Rusty Tucker: < Rusty, I think I found a problem with RFC 822 gateway. When it is set up incorrectly, it doesn't handle misaddressed mail. MS logs says its writing the message but it really doesn't> Rusty Tucker: what do you mean by setup incorrectly? Michael Davidson: yes...this was the nature of the problem last week I brought up. Michael Davidson: When the domain (incoming) is set wrong Rusty Tucker: what incoming domain? Michael Davidson: Now I know it should be set up CORRECTLY, but when it is not, MS eats the message and tells you it is writing it, but doesn't Ken Sutherland: back in a few minutes Michael Davidson: as opposed to the outgoing domain....in the bottom text field where you use the ADD button Michael Davidson: The field is called "Domains:" Rusty Tucker: oh, that's the list of domains it gateways, ( ie" if an outbound message has one of these domains, give it to me ) Rusty Tucker: If a message matches one of those, it spools it in the export folder. Rusty Tucker: If a message does not match one of those, another gateway handles it. Rusty Tucker: What was incorrect about your entry into the domains list? Michael Davidson: Well, I put my Pop3 unified domain in it Rusty Tucker: You mean you're server's domain name? Michael Davidson: I was thinking of the domain wrong...you have me straight now and now I can test it properly and probably see that it works correctly Rusty Tucker: ( same as your local domain? ) Michael Davidson: No, not my server, telephoney.com;;;;;now I have my server name in it Rusty Tucker: For the Popsicle RFC822 gate, that list should be empty. Michael Davidson: Yes, I had telephoney.com in it which was the same as my identity domain Rusty Tucker: You do not want to export any messages to that gate. Pops does not export. Michael Davidson: Yes, it should be since it is for export Rusty Tucker: Your exported messages need to go to the SMTP gate Michael Davidson: Yes Rusty Tucker: Unless Jim has added a new feature to Pops? Jim? Michael Davidson: What domains should be in my smtp gate: telephoney.com and my mailserver domain Ken Sutherland: 8-) Rusty Tucker: Just mark SMTP as default, nothing else. Michael Davidson: That makes sense too Michael Davidson: I was misunderstanding that the Domains field is only for export Rusty Tucker: Yes, it is only for export. Michael Davidson: Rusty, is there a command to a pop server that can get just the To: address line or must you get the entire header Rusty Tucker: Mail imported from any gate gets passed directly to Mail Servers' router. Ken Sutherland: goto go, catch u later Rusty Tucker: The MS router then looks at each gates routing table ( the domains list ) and puts the message in the appropriate export folder. Michael Davidson: bye Ken Rusty Tucker: c ya Ken Bob Nunn: bye Ken Jim S.: bye Ken Rusty Tucker: No, the TOP command sends all headers + x num lines. Ken Sutherland: tata, if i can stay awake i will be back tonight Ken Sutherland: at 2 am Ken Sutherland: night Rusty Tucker: The headers don't need to be in any particular order. Rusty Tucker: So its left to the client to parse them out. Michael Davidson: help a newbie out, meaning what by + x num lines Jim S.: Rusty: some mailing list email's do not have a TO:, how do they get here? Rusty Tucker: SMTP doesn't need a To header to address a message. Rusty Tucker: It just says RCPT 'name' Rusty Tucker: then the data Jim S.: or so!! Rusty Tucker: the data is the headers + message Kevin Shearon: Rusty I have a simpleton question for you Rusty Tucker: yo Michael Davidson: Are you telling me that you cannot ask for a single header alone before retrieving a single message? Kevin Shearon: the chat window, since installing 5.5 why doesn't it do the sound anymore when someone goes to chat with sysop Rusty Tucker: Yes, that's exactly what i mean Kevin Shearon: sure my sound control panel isn't the reason Rusty Tucker: Kevin, there is a preference in the BBS Options to turn sound on and off Kevin Shearon: the "Silent operation" check box Rusty Tucker: There is a conflict between Sound Manager, Thread Manager, and my PowerCurve 120 that causes it to crash occasionally Rusty Tucker: So I turn it off here Michael Davidson: So, if you must sort messages based on header to info, you must deal with the mail header after downloading it and before putting it in the RFC folder (or at least you make it TEXT in the gateway folder) Kevin Shearon: Atlanta is up 2-0 Rusty Tucker: Yep, Silent Operation, if its ON, TF is quiet Kevin Shearon: ok, thanks are you guys going to discuss the HDS mail for TF? Rusty Tucker: We did a bit at the beginning of the chat. What's your Q? Rusty Tucker: Michael, that's all up to the mail processors and POP client. Kevin Shearon: My main concern (while waiting for my username and password from Jonathan) is that it sees attachments in a mailbox. We transfer display ads and more and more users want to use Netscape to connect Jim S.: Rusty: I was just think, SoftArc's Text Support. Have you put up in the alt.bbs.tf about these chat? Rusty Tucker: Yes, the Mail PI does handle attachments. And each user can set a preference regarding with attachment encoding to use ( binhex, mac binary plain binary ) Bob Nunn: And it works fine! Rusty Tucker: Someone posted the info in a lt.bbs.tf a Rusty Tucker: Martin was caring for that last we chatted. Rusty Tucker: what is "SoftArc's Text Support. "? Michael Davidson: Probably poor Bob Nunn: $50 Kevin Shearon: excellent, thanks. What about setting up realms when restricting access to BBS via the web page.? I can track their IP addresses when accessing BUT I need to be able to track the username and password used when the realm query comes up Jim S.: Before it was kind of none or less:) Rusty Tucker: K - you'll need to add a SPML based logging to handle that on a page by page basis Rusty Tucker: oot Kevin Shearon: no way of adding that to the caller log? since they are using the user manager for the user name and password? Rusty Tucker: like : Rusty Tucker: That would really overflow caller log! Each 'hit' would generate a new entry Rusty Tucker: The sample above creates HTML output, but you can make tab output even more easily Rusty Tucker: Kevin Shearon: ok, I'll try it, thanks, gotta head out Rusty Tucker: if you add Jim S.: Rusty: Can email be directed to a conference? Rusty Tucker: then the log file will be called "pagename.log" Michael Davidson: I have an applescript question, what do you use to extract the text of a file's resource (an FCAT resource). Is there a simple command or must I use an AS extension? Bob Nunn: I use OAT for that Jim. Jim S.: By? Michael Davidson: Jim it can if you put the X-Local-Conference: address line into the message Michael Davidson: Highlander creates Online Assistant for Telefinder JIM Michael Davidson: One of its most important features is mailing lists (to conferences) Michael Davidson: That's another reason you need to examine the headers in your program Michael Davidson: to sort out the mailing list mail Michael Davidson: so you too can support mailing lists to conferences Rusty Tucker: ? Popsicle shouldn't need to look at headers! Michael Davidson: It does because of the nature of Pop3 unified domain wide mailboxes Jim S.: That my preference, what you get is what you pass. Michael Davidson: If mail comes to ALL@mydomain.com, where will the mail go? Rusty Tucker: Mail Server and the other gateways will take care of that Jim S.: Mail just delivered a new Toy. Rusty Tucker: back to the sender, if that is not a valid address. Michael Davidson: No, you can catch the mail addressed to myusername@myispsdomain.com, but not ALL@myispsdomain.com Rusty Tucker: If you have an ALL account, it will be delivered there. Michael Davidson: if it goes out the default gateway, then it comes back to my mailbox...infinite loop Rusty Tucker: No, its a bounce back Michael Davidson: yes, but my different isps use a bunch of different names for sending to groups of their users Rusty Tucker: such as? Bob Nunn: Set up ALL with a list of aliases and put an alias in your mailbox. Michael Davidson: ok, assume mail is sent to ALL@topeka.myispsdomain.com; it ends up in my domain wide pop account which is davidsonm@telephoney.com. POPsicle gets it and sends it out the default gateway cause I don't handle Michael Davidson: cjnetworks mail Michael Davidson: Then that comes back and ends up in my mailbox again Rusty Tucker: When your ISP delivers it to your POP box, they need to give it a legit address. Michael Davidson: If I knew ALL of the different group mail addresses that my isps can use, then I could do what bob says, create a user in user manager that gets that mail Michael Davidson: Mail to my pop box can come in to telephoney.com or to myispsdomain Michael Davidson: That's where the problem lies Michael Davidson: All mail to telephoney.com can be handled by popsicle without looking at headers Rusty Tucker: That's a big problem if it says "To: noone@sombodyelsesdomain.com" what is it doing in your mailbox? Michael Davidson: Only other domain besides myowndomain.com is myispsdomain.com Rusty Tucker: The point is that its a "domain-wide" account. Rusty Tucker: yet there is mail for other domains in it/ Michael Davidson: The problems is my isp can mail me info to ALL@topeka.myispsdomain.com, ALL@lawrence.myispsdomain.com, and more that I don't know Rusty Tucker: Their mailer has determining that " ALL@topeka.myispsdomain.com" translates to "you@t elephoney.com" Michael Davidson: yes, but if its not to davidsonm or a universal isp name like ALL, then it won't be in my mailbox, unless its domain is telephoney.com Rusty Tucker: It should reflect that when it hits the mailbox Rusty Tucker: " universal isp name like ALL" - no such thing Rusty Tucker: this is just a mailing list Michael Davidson: yes...since ALL is an isp universal way of telling all its customers that the server will be down, or whatever Michael Davidson: ok, so how do we deal with the mailing list...if we can deal with that then we can not look at headers Rusty Tucker: their setup is screwed up in dealing with Universal POP accounts. Michael Davidson: cause the only other type of mail I can get is davidsonm@myispsdomain.com and we can handle that without looking at header Rusty Tucker: The problems is that the headers are screwed up. Michael Davidson: A bad solution is too include their domain into our identity...screws with my users mailing to my isps mail accounts Rusty Tucker: You really can't tell "ALL@topeka.myispsdomain.com" is you, or maybe its someone else on your system also on that same mail list. Rusty Tucker: see what i mean? Michael Davidson: I know that is everybody that uses my isps topeka server Bob Nunn: Normally that would be a listserver's job. Is that causing problems on top of that? Rusty Tucker: You have no way of translating that into addresses on your system Michael Davidson: it is for announcements to all my isps topeka users Michael Davidson: Correct rusty...I want such messages to go into a Popsicle Postmaster mail folder as registered by User Manager Michael Davidson: That is why I believe we MUST look at headers. Rusty Tucker: No, you MUST get your ISP to fix his system. Michael Davidson: From what you say, we must look at headers after the mail is downloaded and before MS can mess with it Michael Davidson: :) Rusty Tucker: no no no Rusty Tucker: If you dump a bunch of email into a single box, it has to be addressed correctly. Michael Davidson: < You have no way of translating that into addresses on your system> Especially since I don't know all the possible ways they can mail me these "universal isp messages" Rusty Tucker: Otherwise you have no way to properly deliver it. Rusty Tucker: now you've got it! Michael Davidson: Well, understand, any mail to myusername@myispsdomain.com also goes into my mailbox,,,,the username must be mine though Michael Davidson: my myusername@telephoney.com mailbox...that's the way the unified boxes work Rusty Tucker: In a universal POP account it should contain lots of messages addressed to different users. Rusty Tucker: rusty@spiderisland.com Rusty Tucker: fred@spiderisland.com Rusty Tucker: jill@spiderisland.com Rusty Tucker: but not Rusty Tucker: all@telephony.com Rusty Tucker: ! Michael Davidson: correct...but we are talking about the rare exceptions Rusty Tucker: You cannot have exceptions. Rusty Tucker: If you do, the system does not work Michael Davidson: There is always the exception myusername@myispsdomain.com instead of myusername@telephoney.com Michael Davidson: I have never seen it otherwise Michael Davidson: But we can handle that one Michael Davidson: Its the universal unknown ones that are the problem Rusty Tucker: myusername@myispsdomain.com is a bad problem too Bob Nunn: I have my ISP set up forwarding on my accounts when I need that feature or vice versa, I set up forwarding if someone wants there mail somewhere else. Michael Davidson: If somebody does mail to me at davidsonm@myispsdomain.com, popsicle will get it and send it out the default gateway only to end up in my mailbox again...yes it too is a bad problem Rusty Tucker: there can be no exceptions! Or you will end up with an unmanageable system, Michael Davidson: So, let's assume all unified pops allow myusername@myispsdomain.com, what can be done short of looking at the headers Rusty Tucker: use a different system. POP wont work Rusty Tucker: use SMTP and the ETRN command Michael Davidson: Well, the programmer could deal with a single exception, since he has the username in the settings and he has the isp domain, so he could redirect mail from them....Can mail server exception out one address using the spam feature???? Rusty Tucker: no Rusty Tucker: You're ISP needs to correctly address mail to your account Michael Davidson: I will not give up on pop YET!!! Rusty Tucker: when it lands in the telephony.com mailbox, it needs to be addressed to a user@telephony.com Michael Davidson: Can I make a davidson@myispsdomain.com in User Manager...obviously I'm desperate :) Rusty Tucker: without that, the system has no reliability Rusty Tucker: Have mail to davidson@myispsdomain.com forwarded to sysop@ telephony.com Michael Davidson: A single address is screwing up pop???? Michael Davidson: but won't the default gateway try to push it back out too Rusty Tucker: nope, because it will have a valid address. Michael Davidson: But I would have to see the header to do that Kevin Shearon: Rusty, is there any news on what's going on with SI? Michael Davidson: How do I get davidson@myispsdomain.com forwarded to sysop@ telephony.com...That will be sufficient Rusty Tucker: nothing new to report - status quo Kevin Shearon: are you still selling or are you going to continue on? Rusty Tucker: you're ISP can set that up in his mail server ( since he handles "myispsdomain.com") Rusty Tucker: Yes, one of those 2 :) Kevin Shearon: I know people have bid on your code... Michael Davidson: :) Rusty Tucker: Anyway, time to go for now. Kevin Shearon: are you like the free agent holding out for the start of the season hoping the price goes up? Rusty Tucker: I'll be back at 6! Jim S.: CU @6 Michael Davidson: Thanks rusty, sorry about taking so much of your time Bob Nunn: See you tonite Rusty. Trying to get one of Bill's billions. mikael fredriksson: bye! Michael Davidson: Jim...did you follow all that bad news Rusty Tucker: More like, waiting to see if the league( Apple ) is going to open the eason ( stay in the Mac biz ) :) Kevin Shearon: Hey Rusty can you rent a car to go to Tahoe? Kevin Shearon: Lake that is Rusty Tucker: Ken has invited me up to speak at NACT in Reno Kevin Shearon: you know write it off the taxes Rusty Tucker: , or did you have something else in mind ;) Kevin Shearon: yes 20-23 Kevin Shearon: you speak 23 Kevin Shearon: can only lose so much at the slots Rusty Tucker: I might be on a bus by then.. :( Kevin Shearon: what about the 20th I get in at 2:30 pm Rusty Tucker: any day is fine Kevin Shearon: did you book at the Nugget? Rusty Tucker: its bit far to drive from here ( 10+ hrs ) Rusty Tucker: I need to talk to Ken to get specs . I have an old message saying he'd call when he got back form Vacation. Kevin Shearon: Bruce Williams will be there from Alberta newspapers also Rusty Tucker: The dates were 22-24 then Kevin Shearon: I have the agenda and it says you are on Wednesday afternoon Rusty Tucker: Oct 22? Kevin Shearon: ok, I'm looking at it Rusty Tucker: what am I talking about? :) Rusty Tucker: can you fax me a copy of that? Kevin Shearon: and it may be an older one but Thursday, Oct. 23, Rusty speaks at 1:30-2:45 Kevin Shearon: they may have revised it Rusty Tucker: I've been collecting some info for a talk, revenues ( classified ads, ) building traffic etc. Kevin Shearon: I think they may have switched you to Wed, Oct 22 in afternoon Kevin Shearon: we will have a banner ad on our page from WalMart soon Rusty Tucker: ! that's great -- real $ ? Kevin Shearon: get $ per click through Kevin Shearon: it's through an ad agency in Toronto, they rep, WalMart, GM, Microsoft Rusty Tucker: Did you setup TF to measure the click throughs? Rusty Tucker: Or does the agency measure it? Kevin Shearon: they said they could do it, I'm not that into html to know how to do it other than looking at Web Server log Rusty Tucker: You can;'t see them on the log, unless you setup things to handle it. Rusty Tucker: I'd rather have my own numbers to bounce against the agency. Kevin Shearon: I know, and there is the question of do we believe them when they tell us that x number of click throughs took place Rusty Tucker: Maybe I should cover that at NACT. Rusty Tucker: Or maybe we can do something together on that one. Kevin Shearon: but I just want to get the ad on there and then cover the rest later Kevin Shearon: our site is www.ocna.org and our lawyers are checking out the contract they want us to sign Rusty Tucker: I can get the tech side of it done, and then you can show how to compare their numbers to yours. Kevin Shearon: ok, it will be a banner ad 468x60 pixels on the lower part of our main page Kevin Shearon: I won't be at the whole NACT thing have to leave the morning of the 23 Rusty Tucker: Maybe I'll make a plug in to do the click through logging. It can also be done with an SPML page. Kevin Shearon: will be there earlier in the week for a different session Rusty Tucker: You know how you setup the HREF in the Image URL? Kevin Shearon: whatever you think is best, but SPML pages seem to be more stable Kevin Shearon: yes Rusty Tucker: right now you probably have some code from them to include their graphic and link to their site. Kevin Shearon: yes, i can handle that HTML it's the CGI's and Java that I don't know Rusty Tucker: What you do is substitute new code to point first at a page that logs the request, then re-directs them on to WalMart site. Kevin Shearon: check out www.virtualbillboard.net for details Rusty Tucker: Its really flexible if you use SPML, especially the logging part Kevin Shearon: www.canada.com has the banner ad on it Kevin Shearon: ours will have it soon (www.coan.org) Kevin Shearon: coan=ocna Rusty Tucker: they're doing this too, the graphics link is: http://newweb01.istar.ca/cgi-bin/redirect.cgi/page1 Kevin Shearon: did you just look at it? Rusty Tucker: yes, http://www.virtualbillboard.net/ Rusty Tucker: ill check www.canada.com now Kevin Shearon: so we could do it and have it on some sort of log file? Rusty Tucker: it also shows a link to :http://www.virtualbillboard.net/cgi-bin/redirect.cgi/page1 Rusty Tucker: is "www.virtualbillboard.net" the agency? Rusty Tucker: yes Kevin Shearon: yes Gallop & Gallop, well respected agency in TO Rusty Tucker: ok Kevin Shearon: you know the Gallop poll people? Rusty Tucker: yep Kevin Shearon: or maybe that's just Canadian Rusty Tucker: never asked ME any q's though Kevin Shearon: your to left of the median Rusty Tucker: :), yeah. Do you have the v5.5 SPML samples? Kevin Shearon: think so, Rusty Tucker: there is a Jump sample. Kevin Shearon: yup I see it Rusty Tucker: It links a button to "redir.spml" then redir sends you to one of our pages Kevin Shearon: redir and homepage Kevin Shearon: That's what we really need is some sort of summary of what all this stuff is for Kevin Shearon: but I'm sure that isn't your main concern Rusty Tucker: in the redir.spml, you need to add a #log command to log the info you want. Rusty Tucker: I'll put a sample tougher for you Rusty Tucker: Do you have the ad materials? Kevin Shearon: I have the file open Kevin Shearon: ok, I'll work on getting the banner on our page in the very near future (rush the lawyers) Rusty Tucker: I have a meeting i a few minutes. Kevin Shearon: no, the lawyers have to give us the ok on the contract Kevin Shearon: ok, when you have a chance if you could drop it in my mailbox Kevin Shearon: if that's ok Rusty Tucker: I don't need the exact stuff, I'll make a generic sample to click thru to spider island. Rusty Tucker: then you'll see how many people you send our way! :) Kevin Shearon: ok, thanks, bye Rusty Tucker: see ya ------------------------------------------------------------------ September 30, 1997 -- �Copyright 1997, Spider Island Software