---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Text of TeleFinder Chat from Friday, November 7, 1997 11 AM PST. In attendance: From Spider Island: Rusty Tucker, Sysops: Bob Nunn, Donald McHose, Jim Leary, Jonathan Paisley, Juan Jose Tarud, Daniel Raguse, ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- chat logger: Rusty Tucker: Donald McHose: Bob Nunn: Donald McHose: Hi,Rusty-n-Bob how are things? Bob Nunn: Hey, got the flu bug today. Jonathan Paisley: Donald McHose: Sorry to hear that.Get well soon Rusty Tucker: Hola! Jonathan Paisley: hi folks Donald McHose: Hola back {I think } ;-) Jonathan Paisley: rusty, I have a q Donald McHose: O.K now that we have two very influential dev. on-line , what are ya'll cooking up now? Jim Leary: Rusty Tucker: What's up Jon? Jim Leary: Hello room Jonathan Paisley: Why aren't SPML pages marked as non-cacheable? Jim Leary: Jon, did you receive my mail yesterday? Rusty Tucker: TF caches the raw data, and processes it as request time Rusty Tucker: the file is cached, not the resulting HTML Jonathan Paisley: I mean for user-agent caching Rusty Tucker: oh Rusty Tucker: you could do that via a META tag I think Jonathan Paisley: eg in the guest book Jonathan Paisley: The other solution (i think) is to put a ? after the url, that way the UA treats it as dynamic Jonathan Paisley: But I reckon that the server should indicate in the headers that SPML is non-cacheable Rusty Tucker: Also, the #pragma no-cache is actually a request header. Clients seem to ignore it. Jonathan Paisley: hmmn. Jonathan Paisley: That's annoying Rusty Tucker: I'd probably use the "expires" in a META tag. Jonathan Paisley: Did you have any luck adding in the extra parameters in the dir listing SPML for URL-encoded file names and suchlike? Jim Leary2: Rusty Tucker: yep, the next rev will encode the file names Jonathan Paisley: cool! Jonathan Paisley: What about file type MIME mapping? Rusty Tucker: yep that's in there too Jim Leary: Jonathan Paisley: great! Jonathan Paisley: One other thing: Rusty Tucker: Ya gotta watch out with that though. Internet Config has a funny way of looking up MIMEs Jonathan Paisley: I was playing with the SPML in the dir.spml file, and I wanted to reference files in a subdirectory that started with a period (hence it won't get shown up) Jonathan Paisley: eg the real file was 'test.jpg' Rusty Tucker: it actually searches the _entire_ list to find a "best fit" Jonathan Paisley: and I wanted to do [Image] Rusty Tucker: That explains why it drags down performance at high hit levels Jonathan Paisley: can you cache the mapping data somehow? Jonathan Paisley: eg read in the basic types at startup and use them in an optimal fashion Rusty Tucker: You can add them to TF's Internal MIME list and forgo IC if you want Rusty Tucker: that works very very fast Jonathan Paisley: [back to topic] [Image] Jonathan Paisley: I suppose using %A5 should work though (he just figures it out!) Rusty Tucker: :) Rusty Tucker: Anyone have experience with a GVC X2 modem? Jonathan Paisley: How do I add them to TF's internal list? Rusty Tucker: just edit the www-mimes.config file Jonathan Paisley: Is that by editing a config file? Rusty Tucker: like: Rusty Tucker: mmap .GIF image/gif GIFf mmap .JPG image/jpeg JPEG mmap .JPEG image/jpeg JPEG mmap .TXT text/plain TEXT Jonathan Paisley: So the server will use the file types/creators in there then! Cool! Does it do that at the moment anyway? Rusty Tucker: no, you'll need the next B version Jonathan Paisley: ok, so if I access /test_file (which is a TEXT file), will I get it as text/plain? (with the next B) Rusty Tucker: yep Jonathan Paisley: cool! Rusty Tucker: I've had a report that the GVC X2 doesn't respond to TF 5.5 Jonathan Paisley: rusty: another thing: I need a way to include quotes (") in the SPML dir-list command... At the moment that doesn't seem to be possible Jonathan Paisley: Could you make it possible to escape quotes in some manner? Rusty Tucker: I haven't got that to work yet Donald McHose: It seems to me I have read about problematic GV's new x2 -n- k-flex.I'll run the lists and see what shakes out if you need. Juan Jose Tarud: Juan Jose Tarud: Hello people Bob Nunn: Hey Juan Jose Tarud Juan Jose Tarud: I'm here to fight for the Windows user version :-) Rusty Tucker: fight for it? Rusty Tucker: fight away! Juan Jose Tarud: I'm really having trouble with some users who cannot save their e-mails. Also, I'm running a private BBS and the Sysop cannot add info on-line to the files Rusty Tucker: what's the saving problem? Juan Jose Tarud: although I hate PC's, business is business :-) Juan Jose Tarud: they write the e-mails and when they put save, nothing happens Rusty Tucker: maybe their using an older version? Juan Jose Tarud: 3.02 Rusty Tucker: i just tried it here, and "save" brings up the save dialog. Jim Leary2: Juan Jose Tarud: Also, As I told you, I have a private bbs which e-mail address @bd.aminfo.cl and my domain is bbs.itn.cl. How can I make the their e-mail go out with their domain and not mine? Jim Leary2: Juan Jose Tarud: What about the info on the files. It writes but does not save Rusty Tucker: you can choose one or the other outgoing domain Rusty Tucker: what do you mean "It writes but does not save"? Juan Jose Tarud: right but in the same server Juan Jose Tarud: I can write the info on the files on-line but when I close it, It disappears Rusty Tucker: lets take one problem at a time Juan Jose Tarud: ok Rusty Tucker: I'm talking about the email still Rusty Tucker: How can I reproduce the problem with saving? Jonathan Paisley: Juan Jose Tarud: Just using the 3.02 on win 3.11 and '95. First I thought it wasn't true but I tested it Juan Jose Tarud: Weird because I remember that once I did with v2.5 and it worked Rusty Tucker: OK you tested it and what happened ( exactly if you can tell me ) Juan Jose Tarud: Nothing...no saving window Rusty Tucker: - I think that there was a problem with saving in older versions, but not in 3.0.2 Juan Jose Tarud: I'll check it out...I never tried saving in 3.02 but a customer said he did. What I did tried was the Info thing Rusty Tucker: + the second time you select save on a message, it should just save without bringing up the window. Rusty Tucker: Good, they were probably using an older version Rusty Tucker: 3.0.2 does not support editing comments remotely Juan Jose Tarud: Remember my problem with the domains? Rusty Tucker: That is why you did not see the comment change Rusty Tucker: I don't remember it Juan Jose Tarud: when I placed a an address www.itn.cl/~juanjo it used to change to any virtual domain www.virtual.cl/~juanjo Juan Jose Tarud: the problem is on MICROSOFT Internet Explorer v2.0 and 3.0 Rusty Tucker: Yes, I remember that. We could not reproduce it when I tried your server. Jim Leary2: Daniel Raguse: Rusty Tucker: Hi Daniel Daniel Raguse: Hi Daniel Raguse: what's going on? Juan Jose Tarud: Maybe it only happens on SPML files Rusty Tucker: I just tried it again, and it shows "http://www.itn.cl/~juanjo/" Rusty Tucker: also : http://www.itn.cl/~juanjo/homepage2.spml Juan Jose Tarud: but as I said IExplorer 2.0 or 3.0 . Mostly 2.0 NOT ALWAYS, just sometimes. Rusty Tucker: it's IE 3.01a Juan Jose Tarud: what can I say, it has happened to me on PC v2.0 Rusty Tucker: I will forget about it again then, must be an IE bug :) Juan Jose Tarud: that's what I believe now Juan Jose Tarud: let's go back to the outgoing domain thing Ok? Rusty Tucker: for outgoing domains, you can have just 1 Juan Jose Tarud: even if I have 2 SMTP getaways? Rusty Tucker: setting up 2 gateways will be very trick Rusty Tucker: since they can't both be default Rusty Tucker: it will be hard to do Juan Jose Tarud: I know but in the User Group I tried using that gateway with the other domain but it does not work Juan Jose Tarud: It doesn't matter which getaway you specify, it uses the default anyway Rusty Tucker: right, there isn't a way to tell Mail Server to use one GW for some users, but not others. Juan Jose Tarud: well, I guess that gives you something to think about :-) Donald McHose: { off topic } at the bottom of the chat window there is a "?" that turns on voices.What is that? Could we have shades of Timbuck-2's I hear you/ hear me in the future? Rusty Tucker: It will Say the chat for you if you have Macintalk installed Jim Leary: Donald McHose: Oh.Thanx Rusty Tucker: I think Bob uses it quite a bit Jim Leary: Juan Jose Tarud: Rusty, have you tried the MagicBullets Extension? Rusty Tucker: no, what is it? Donald McHose: So will I Bob Nunn: Kinda nice if you don't want to read it all. I have it read it to me. I pick out different voices and colors for each of you. Juan Jose Tarud: it is a system extension. You can select a TF Text (e-mails) and press shift-command-C and It quotes it for you Bob Nunn: That way I can get a little bit of work done and still follow the conversation. Donald McHose: I don't wear pink well,Bob. Bob Nunn: Maroon with Junior in a deeper voice. Rusty Tucker: You sound nice in the "Princess" voice though :) Bob Nunn: I have you in Victoria (deeper voice) and Orange Donald McHose: ;-)~ Rusty Tucker: Chris said he's working on 4 channel voices for chat. Bob Nunn: Wish I had a British accent for Jonathan. and perhaps a Scottish accent for Ken. Probably wouldn't be able to understand it thought. Sounds like fun. Rusty Tucker: That should be wild Donald McHose: I hear ya !! no pun intended. Juan Jose Tarud: where can I get the Spanish voices for Macintalk? Bob Nunn: Wouldn't we have to type in Spanish? Rusty Tucker: I don't know if Apple has any other than what ships with OS8 Juan Jose Tarud: Not you but my users do. Once I saw them but I had no time to download them Rusty Tucker: I tested a #say command in SPML, but it seems to conflict w/ OT or Threading. Donald McHose: Gots ta run, ya'll be cool-n- safe.Hope ya feel better soon Bob,and Rusty, thanx. Donald McHose: Juan Jose Tarud: I just e-mailed you MagicBullets Rusty. See if you can add that function to the Mac User Version Rusty Tucker: what does it do? Juan Jose Tarud: told ya Bob Nunn: Auto Quotes Email? Juan Jose Tarud: it is a system extension. You can select a TF Text (e-mails) and press shift-command-C and It quotes it for you Rusty Tucker: OK I missed it in the Talk stuff Juan Jose Tarud: hard to believe but it does :-) Bob Nunn: Sounds like something that a few users would like that utility. Put it up when you get a chance. Juan Jose Tarud: should I upload it to the BBS Utilities? Bob Nunn: I would like it. Rusty Tucker: Any last Q's before we turn out the lites? Juan Jose Tarud: is it me or when you attach a file now, it disappears? Rusty Tucker: hopefully it doesn't Bob Nunn: Bye, see you next week. Hopefully over this awful flu. Daniel Raguse: Bob Nunn: Rusty Tucker: see ya Rusty Tucker: ------------------------------------------------------------------ November 11, 1997 -- ŠCopyright 1997, Spider Island Software