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Text of TeleFinder Chat from Friday, October 21, 1997 11 AM PDT.

In attendance:

Hosting for Spider Island: mikael fredriksson

Sysops: Michael Davidson, Donald McHose, Daniel Parker, Bill Gram-Reefer

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     Michael Davidson: Hi Mikael!

     mikael fredriksson: Hi!

     Michael Davidson: Hey, are you the one that batch processed
     thumbnails in PhotoShop?

     mikael fredriksson: yes

     Michael Davidson: Did you use Applescripting to do it?

     mikael fredriksson: I made miniature versions of JPEGs

     Michael Davidson: Oh, so you didn't do thumbnails?

     mikael fredriksson: Its built in to Photoshop 4 record what you
     want it to do and then run it in batch mode

     Michael Davidson: Hello Daniel.

     Daniel Parker: Hi+

     Daniel Parker: When is northern hemisphere daylight saving?

     Michael Davidson: I don't know if you know it or not Daniel, but
     Rusty won't be here today, he's out of town at a Tech seminar.

     Daniel Parker: That's O.K, I canÍt say long anyway

     Michael Davidson: It ends soon Daniel, but I'm not sure which day,
     soon in Oct.

     mikael fredriksson: daylight saving will end on Sunday

     mikael fredriksson: in Europe

     Michael Davidson: So you record an applescript session in Photo,
     or does Photo have its own macro making record

     Daniel Parker: Yay, in more readily

     Daniel Parker: I've got to go, bye

     Michael Davidson: And, could you save with thumbnails in Photo in
     batch mode? (I'm not much of a PhotoHead)

     Michael Davidson: bye Daniel

     mikael fredriksson: You can record almost everything that you
     normally can do in Photoshop and then play it in batch mode

     Michael Davidson: ok

     Michael Davidson: That only for Photo 4, or does 3 allow the same
     kind of recording?

     mikael fredriksson: Only Photoshop 4

     mikael fredriksson: Do you use the email plugin from Highlander?

     Michael Davidson: One more ?, what are the types Photo lets you
     save in, I know they are limited (PEG, PICT???)

     Michael Davidson: No sorry Mikael, I don't

     mikael fredriksson: Lets take look ;-)

     Michael Davidson: Still having problems with it?

     Michael Davidson: Hi Donald!

     Donald McHose: Hi ya'll did I miss to much ?

     Michael Davidson: Rusty won't be here today, he's at a Tech
     conference.

     mikael fredriksson: No ;-)

     Michael Davidson: No Donald, not much. I bet you and mikael might
     want to discuss the mail plugin

     Donald McHose: So I read , hope the best

     Donald McHose: Now that would be a subject for sure;-)

     Michael Davidson: Too bad Jonathan ain't here!!!!

     mikael fredriksson: The 0.9b3 has expired I think

     Michael Davidson: Sounds like he needs to spruce up his
     documentation for the plug-in!

     Donald McHose: My latest endeavor is to be able to mail or reply.I
     sent J a note on the HD map

     Donald McHose: He said the Pi does not except colons ?

     Michael Davidson: So, I suppose there is another way to set
     paths??? OR....

     Michael Davidson: must you put things in exactly the correct path
     or no-go?

     mikael fredriksson: My copy refuse to work now and the one on
     Spider island web server do the same thing now

     Donald McHose: My thought, too.I did a path from Hard drive: all
     the way to mail and still get a mail server not what ever..

     Donald McHose: but still UM puts colons in the path way

     Donald McHose: That's just beautiful ;-(

     Michael Davidson: yes UM does, so how is it that the plug-in
     doesn't use them???

     mikael fredriksson: I think that you have to wait for a new beta
     (or he can put the expiration date in your pw)

     Michael Davidson: Mikael, are you saying that the latest version
     has expired and there is no version yet to replace it?

     Donald McHose: I'll have to how JP does it I sent him my path
     asking him to fix it since I must be using Microsoft logic.

     Michael Davidson: Is Bob Nunn's working still or has it shut down
     too?

     Donald McHose: He's updating a new version any day now I think

     mikael fredriksson: There is a 30 day test period but I started to
     use mine 9/27 and it has expired (as the one here on SI)

     Donald McHose: Bob was up last night.

     mikael fredriksson: There is a 30 day test period but I started to
     use mine 9/27 and it has expired (as the one here on SI)

     Michael Davidson: hmmm....wish Jon was here

     Donald McHose: Expire from day of reg. ?

     Michael Davidson: Donald, hope your's doesn't expire before you
     get it working :)

     Donald McHose: Thanx me too...I have faith that I'll have it up
     any day now

     Michael Davidson: hey, do you need the path set not just to mail
     but to mail:mail server???

     Michael Davidson: mikael, can you give Donald the path you have
     set for the plugin?

     Michael Davidson: maybe he can figure it out from that

     mikael fredriksson: I found that you have full paths to all your
     mailboxes to get it to work

     Donald McHose: I tried that or I thought I had path is Hard
     Drive:...mail

     Michael Davidson: so you must set all the paths to each user, not
     just to the Mail folder?

     mikael fredriksson: In User Manager like MSDN:TeleFinder(tm)
     Server:User Manager €:Mail:

     Donald McHose: Yeah I did this on all accounts

     mikael fredriksson: Yes!

     Michael Davidson: He should fix that; his program should find the
     folder in the Mail folder and not require each user to be set.

     Michael Davidson: Then have you set up the Access Group properly
     Donald?

     Donald McHose: Good question

     Michael Davidson: That makes sense, if I understand what isn't
     working for you.

     mikael fredriksson: Yes, i think Rusty did write here on what
     system call he should use in a sysop chat

     mikael fredriksson: Did you setup the Realms for admin?

     Donald McHose: I'll do a look see later

     Michael Davidson: Have you given the selected users access to the
     plug in gateway (if such a thing needs to be set like for other
     gateways)

     Donald McHose: Yeah SIUM works like a charm

     Michael Davidson: hmmm....what's left...is it the Realms thing?

     mikael fredriksson: mine is Realm name: admin Match String:
     pi_admin Acces Groups: Sysop

     Donald McHose: NO ... I do not think it is in the realm...probably
     more like my path string as ya'll have stated.The realm works

     Donald McHose: A user can log on...read mail..but not answer

     Donald McHose: using the web that is

     Michael Davidson: maybe mess up the realm thing and see if you get
     the same error as you do know; that might narrow down where the
     problem is

     Michael Davidson: Then maybe the path to Mail Server mail folder
     is messed up since that is probably where their mail should be
     headed to first

     Michael Davidson: that know should be now above

     mikael fredriksson: This is my Path to Web Pages Home Directory:
     MSDN:TeleFinder(tm) Server:Web Space:

     Michael Davidson: mikael, does outgoing mail from the plug in go
     first to the Mail Server mail folder or is there a plug in Gateway
     that it goes into the Export folder of

     mikael fredriksson: Do you have the full path there in the TF
     server?

     mikael fredriksson: I think it has to go thru Mail Server and its
     mail folder

     Donald McHose: As far as I know I do .I set a full mail path for
     each user

     mikael fredriksson: yes

     Donald McHose: I do not remember that it goes to mail server
     though,just to mail

     Michael Davidson: Do you have a plug-in gateway folder in the Mail
     Server €:Gateway Spool: folder?

     mikael fredriksson: But do you have the full path in TF server to
     where your Web folder is?

     mikael fredriksson: No

     Michael Davidson: So, my guess is, and I don't use plug in, but
     that outgoing mail goes to the Mail:Mail Server folder first, and
     Mail Server sends it

     Michael Davidson: Do you know if the above is true?

     Bill Gram-Reefer: sorry I'm late

     mikael fredriksson: Hi Bill!

     Donald McHose: I suspect I do( path to web serv.) since I serve
     web well :-).......

     Donald McHose: Hi Bill..

     Bill Gram-Reefer: hello all

     Michael Davidson: Hi Bill. Rusty won't be here today, he's at a
     Tech conference

     Bill Gram-Reefer: i know. some newspaper conf

     Donald McHose: BRB

     mikael fredriksson: I think that the Plugin need full paths to all
     mailboxes AND to the Web Space (User Manager and Node Server)

     mikael fredriksson: + the realms thing

     Bill Gram-Reefer: ?

     Michael Davidson: What about to the Mail Server gateway mail
     folder

     mikael fredriksson: That too..

     Donald McHose: Bill:Talking about Jonathan's mail Plug-in and my
     not able to configure it correctly

     Bill Gram-Reefer: which plugin is being theorized about?

     Michael Davidson: That is the Mail Server folder in the Mail
     folder, which is the Mail Server Gateway folder, which probably
     handles the outgoing mail

     Bill Gram-Reefer: OK, thanks

     Donald McHose: That is my impression

     Michael Davidson: Since, I assume, the Mail Server folder handles
     the outgoing mail, and Don is having trouble there, I think he
     should reexamine his path to the Mail:Mail Server folder for
     errors

     Donald McHose: MD:I do that thanx.

     Michael Davidson: Is there a settings for the plug-in to say where
     outgoing mail should go?

     mikael fredriksson: Yes that all "users" have the full path to
     "Mail Location" in User Manager

     mikael fredriksson: no

     mikael fredriksson: You only enter name and password and your set
     to go

     mikael fredriksson: On the reg page

     Michael Davidson: So mikael, have you ever seen a spool file (a
     location of a spool file) for outgoing mail when you use the plug
     in

     mikael fredriksson: No

     Donald McHose: MF:yep-n-that works like a charm..also about that
     shared address book?

     Michael Davidson: :(

     Donald McHose: MY address book entries are shared by all users
     trying the Web- mail:pi

     Michael Davidson: Donald, does it stop you from sending or
     replying; or does it allow it but never send?

     Donald McHose: Bill: Still writing for a living?

     Donald McHose: I get a mail server does not resolve..J feels it is
     a mail path thing...we'll see

     Bill Gram-Reefer: Don make your nasty self available for an
     Instant Message

     Donald McHose: Oops der Kids have arrived and I gots ta run ,
     thanx for all your help.Hope chat logger gets all this.bye

     Michael Davidson: bye Donald, I got to run too. Bye all.

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