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From: Maynard Handley <name99@name99.
To: All
Subject: Re: why Cell processor was not
Date:Sat, July 05, 2008 10:42 PM


Here's a hint, dudes. Get a clue; read more textbooks and less slashdot.
Objective C is a fine language for a certain class of problems including
things like UI. No-one pretends it is the highest performing language
ever written, which is why things like codecs are written at Apple in C,
C++ or even PPC assembly as appropriate.
The argument as to whether icc will ever support Objective C is justs
stupid because whether it does or not affects pretty much nothing in the
real world. Of FAR more relevance is the issue of ABIs and the extent to
which the various x86 compilers will choose to or choose not to avoid
Apple's ABI, and the extent to which Apple will choose to, or will
choose not to, link to (statically or dynamically) code written to
non-Apple ABIs.


In article <dda6ck$4vo$10@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>,
Surf <captive@audience.org> wrote:

> Benjamin Gawert wrote:
> > Douglas Siebert wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Well, I'd think it'd be about Intel's compiler more than anything,
> >>since
> >>by sticking with gcc Mac OS applications will run measurably slower
> >>than Windows applications when running on like hardware.
> >
> >
> > Really? So exactly what programs did You compare on which hardware
> > configurations? I'm sure You have some references to back up Your claim...
> >
> > Maybe You don't know it but the vast majority of Windows apps isn't built
> > with intel compilers but with the Microsoft compilers that come with Visual
> > Studio. And they are usually quite close to what gcc can produce
> > performance-wise...
> >
> >
> >>But unless
> >>Apple
> >>has dumped that stupid Objective-C stuff, they are locked into gcc.
> >
> >
> > I'm quite sure most programmers that work with Objective-C certainly won't
> > agree with "stupid". And Objective-C isn't bound to gcc and gcc isn't bound
> > to Objective-C...
> >
> >
> >>Unless, of course, Intel adds support for it to their compiler. I
> >>guess I wouldn't be completely surprised if Intel's compiler supports
> >>it in the next rev...
> >
> >
> > intel already said that there will be a MacOS X version of the intel
> > compilers in the near future.
> >
> > Benjamin
> >
> >
> will this be like the cell saga? and go on and on?


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