In comp.os.linux.advocacy, ¤–fhwÛ£f <snuhwolf@netscape.net> wrote on Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:28:25 -0600 <PM000452E0B12BAA5E@unknown.unknown.dom>: > Kadaitcha Man wrote: >> ¤–fhw¯£f, ye earth-vexing patched fool, thou cruel, ingrateful, savage >> and inhuman creature, ye kvetched: >> >>> On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:16:36 -1200, Kadaitcha Man aided th' >> terraists with >>> the following claims : >>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.ubuntu.com/ >>>> >>>> >>>> What if the OP has both IDE and a SATA drives? >>> >>> He'd be a rich man, thats for sure. >>> >>>> Hmmm? Even allowing the user >>>> sufficient knowledge to set the BIOS to boot from the correct >> drive, and >>>> his >>>> BIOS supporting drive boot order changes, your fucking precious >> linsux is >>>> going to fall over in a fucking screaming heap trying to install >> the >>>> utterly >>>> fucked up GRand Unified Bootloader... a problem that's been around >> in >>>> ubuntu >>>> since at least mid-2007 and still exists to this very day in the >> very >>>> latest >>>> release. >>>> >>> >>> So wahts preventing him from using LILO? >>> :) >>> >>>> Who the fuck is the OP going to turn to when he needs to use >> gparted to >>>> set >>>> the 1st ext partition flag for booting, you fuck-knuckled, >> pinheaded, >>>> linuxfucktard cunt? >>> >>> Any number of linux newsfroups I imagine :) >> >> And how the fuck is the poor cunt going to do that when he tried to >> install >> linsux to the IDE disk and GRuB fucking well went and scribbled all >> over the >> first 512 bytes of the MBR used by Windows on the SATA drive instead? >> > Well I would probably use a drivewiping utility but thats just me :)
Won't work. Forensics can detect traces of data even after a number of overwrites. Granted, it's extremely expensive to do so.
> >> This is no fucking laughing matter. The linuxfux have built a fucking >> Frankenstein, and to cover up for their ineptitude and complete and >> utter >> lack of foresight, they make idiotic excuses like "Linux is a tool. > > Its freedom! THROW OFF THE CHAINS TAHT BIND YUO!
No one is forced to use a computer. Admittedly, no one was forced to buy gasoline or make plastics either back in the days of Standard Oil, so one wonders; in any event Standard Oil got broken up.
> >> Windows >> is an appliance", then they fucking whinge like poked piglets that >> linsux >> has only 1% of the market.
0.8%, though it depends on whose metrics one uses and what submarket one is looking at. There are a number of biases in the measurements.
>> > I'm not wineing. I run it natively! > > BADA BING! > BADA BOOM!
You are not running "Linux" natively. No one can. The only thing that runs natively is part of the actual Linux kernel; all other parts of the system are run through a virtualization process (they call it "virtual memory" for a reason, after all). An open() call does not open a file; instead, it generates an illegal instruction trap; the microprocessor then kicks things to the kernel, which does the honors.
Fortunately for performance, any non-illegal instruction is allowed to run, memory accesses permitting (an illegal memory access results in another trap, which might tell the kernel that it's time to write out a dirty page and read in a fresh clean one -- or just kill the process with a segfault signal).
> >> Linsux has only 1% of the "market" because it can't be fucking given >> away. It is free because no cunt in their right mind would fucking >> well >> pay for it. >> > Uhhhhhhhh...Ubuntus being sold at Best Buy in a box, fyi.
And how many boxes are they selling per month, compared to Vista?
One wonders.
> >> I just checked the bug reports at ubuntu. The problem hasn't been >> there >> since mid-2007. It's been there for four fucking years, marked as a >> high >> priority problem because it totally fux0red some poor cunt's >> TrueCrypt-encrypted disk by, wait for it, gouging huge holes in the >> 1's >> and putting the fucking detritus in the 0's contained in the first 512 >> bytes of the TrueCrypt volume header on a SATA disk, and it did that >> even though the user told the fucking thing to install on his ATA >> disk. >> > Freaky. When shit goes south on me I usually throw something :) > THen I format everything in sight and try again.
Throwing a drive probably wouldn't do it much good. ;-)
> > >> The TrueCrypt/linsux victim must have been near fucking crying, I tell >> you. > > The poor bastid :( > >> Fuck me dead, SATA has been around for fucking years and the >> linuxfux still can't get it right. Total fucking incompetence, that's >> what it is. A supercillious incompetence at that. >> > I've never seen a SATA drive up close. > THey tell me they're nice thooough...
SATA drives are available, from the usual suspects: Hitachi, Seagate, Western Digital, and Maxtor. A quick Google coughed up:
Hitachi DeskStar 7K250 (aka HDS722525) Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 9 Western Digital Caviar SE (aka WD2500JD)
This is as of 2003. Newer models are probably available by now; I myself have a 1.0 TB storage unit, though I don't know if it's SATA or what (it uses Firewire to talk to my laptop).
> >> And it doesn't end there. The very same problem exists in OpenSuSE 11. >> Goodness fucking knows how widespread the issue is. If you then try to >> repair the very same b0rked GRuB linsux installation, OpenSuSE linsux, >> in >> all its fucking wisdom, tries to run debugreiserfs and fsck.ext2 on >> completely unbroken NTFS volumes, for crying out fucking loud. Then it >> throws its fucking hands up in the air and yells, "Quell horreur! I >> can't >> detect linsux volumes on the disk!" >> > Format the bastard.
NTFS? Naaah. That's got useful stuff on it. :-)
> >> Well, fucking DUH! >> >> And why am I ranting like this? Because I just spent the last two >> fucking >> hours doing six installs of Ubuntu Hardy 8.04.1 and OpenSuSE 11 and >> inummerable repair attempts - sitting here in complete total fucking >> amusement as I watched linsux repeatedly try to fix unbroken NTFS >> volumes with resierfs and ext2 tools. Gob-fucking-smacking incredible >> that. >> > PArtition yer drives first? Run some better partition proggy like wot > comes with Vector or ANY slack-based distro and be done with it. > Not fancy at all. Pretty ugly to look at but it JUST WORKS. > Slackware rules.
The drives in most SATA installations (and most other installations, for that matter) are already partitioned. If one wants to repartition them, fine -- ntfsresize can be used (at some risk) or one can go with a proggie such as Partition Magic.
Caveat user. Make sure to do backups first if you're worried about it.
> >> And the fix? Disconnect all the other drives except the one I want to >> install to. > > Kewl. I'll do a hardhack in a heartbeat if it lets me give my brane a > rest :)
This should not be necessary.
> >> Over my fucking dead body. You show me one issue with >> Windows >> Vista that requires me to rip out all my fucking hard disks just to >> install >> it and I'll wring your fucking scrawny neck. Metaphorically, of >> course. >> > Why would you want to install Vista in the first place? >:(
Because it's better than XP, of course. Or at least newer. I would have thought that super dooper obvious.
> >> The result of all this fucking palaver with linsux is that BOTH - read >> my >> lips - BOTH of my RAID10 arrays are now doing a three fucking terabyte >> rebuild. If the person doing the install tells linsux to install >> itself on >> sdj, as I did, after triple-checking that the correct drive serial >> number >> was selected, and after making 200% certain that the same serial >> number was >> the first boot device in the BIOS, then linsux should fucking well >> install >> its bootloader on sdj, not on sda, and not on sdf, as two independent >> distributions just fucking well did to me. >> > Thats verry cromulant. > >> How fucking professional is that? No fucking wonder normal people >> won't >> use it. Fucking piece of shit, it is. >> > POOR PEOPLE USE IT!!!!1111!!!!
Poor people use whatever they can get, if they use 'puters at all. I for one would suspect most of them use pirated Windows installations or cast-offs.
> >> I enjoyed that rant, it was like having a really good shit. I might >> try to install linsux one more time... back shortly... >> > INSTALL BEOS!!!!!11111!!!! > <check my headers>
I wonder when that will open-source. ;-)
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