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EvangeList Digest Monday, May 18 1998 Volume 01 : Number 1186



In this issue:

PR - Chroma Graphics Upgrade
PR - Church Membership Keeper Released
?? - Mac OS Survey Software
Followup - X-Windowing Emulation on the Mac
$$ - Toy Collection -- Vintage Automobiles CD-ROM
Job - Porting Windows App to Mac
Followup - 3Com Encouraging Mac Conduit Development for Palm Pilot
Followup - Orb Pricing
?? - Calling All Engineers Who Have Gone from PC to Mac
Tidbit - Videoconferencing and CuSeeMe 3.1

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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 02:06:45 -0000
From: John Halbig <john@garage.com>
Subject: PR - Chroma Graphics Upgrade

This announcement is from:

Robin Shiverick, <robin@chromagraphics.com>

Chroma Graphics, Inc. plans a new and improved version of MagicMask, with
a release date to coincide with Photoshop 5.0. Building on the success of
the original version, Chroma is expanding tool functions and adding key
features including straight line "pixel perfect" clipping paths for easy
printing.

Advanced Photoshop users will appreciate the increased control offered by
the expanded Density Mask tool. Individual access to Hue, Saturation and
Value settings (formerly only Hue) allow users to create and save unique
mask settings. This is especially useful for knocking out blue/green
screens and creating masks for color correction purposes. MagicMask 2.0
will also ship with a variety of common color range settings, including
RGB/CMY, orange, purple, sky blue, and others.

MagicMask 2.0 will retain original features such as unlimited undo's,
standard shortcuts, user set preferences, the ability to save and export
masks, and a variety of selection tools for quick cutouts, including the
snap-to-edge Magic Lasso. MagicMask was the first product on the market
to include this type of intuitive edge detection.

Well-received by reviewers and customers alike, MagicMask stormed onto
the plug-ins scene last year, answering a need for more efficient masking
and selection. The first in a series of integrated plug-ins from Chroma
Graphics, MagicMask has recently been awarded the prestigious 1998 Win
100 award from Windows Magazine. Already recognized as a powerhouse
plug-in, it is MagicMask's new features that will set it apart in a class
by itself.

The new version of MagicMask is scheduled to begin shipping for MacOS,
Windows 95 and Windows NT in June. Readers can call 1-888-8CHROMA
(824-7662) for product information, or to place an order. The estimated
US street price is $99.95. A special upgrade price of $29.95 will be
available for customers who already own MagicMask.

For more information on Chroma Graphics, please visit the Chroma Graphics
web site at:

<http://www.chromagraphics.com>

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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 02:06:46 -0000
From: John Halbig <john@garage.com>
Subject: PR - Church Membership Keeper Released

This announcement is from:

Rev. Glenn A. Lucas <PastorG@kagi.com>

Church Membership Keeper 3.5 is now available from
<http://www.pacificnet.net/~pastorg/cmk.html>. This version brings
several user suggested enhancements to its already powerful church
management capabilities. Some of these enhancements include:

A new password protected "Youth" relational database that allows users to
track such information as youth involvement, home and work numbers,
school name, grade, emergency contact and phone, relate siblings to one
another and quickly move between related records and databases. A new
"Children" relational database that allows users to track attendance at
Sunday School, store school and grade information, birthdays, print
letters to the child or parents, send postcards and relate siblings to
one another and quickly move between related records and databases. A new
password protected "Pastor's" relational database enabling the pastor to
keep confidential records apart from the CMK main file. An
"Attendance-At-A-Glance" layout and report which allows users to view,
mark, and print a continuous report of any number of members. There is
now password protection of all financial layouts and related databases.
The ability to relate records through a "Family ID#" and view and jump to
related records and files from the Detail View layout. The ability to
print either formal or informal form letters. Automatic computation of
dates based on the first date entered. Auto-formatting of telephone
related fields. A registration file that allows the user to simply
purchase Church Membership Keeper through Kagi Shareware.

Church Membership Keeper has been well received by the on-line Church
community. Users like its flexibility. After paying the $25 shareware fee
users receive the password which allows them to customize CMK for their
specific church. Because FileMaker Pro is cross-platform so is Church
Membership Keeper but it is made entirely on a Macintosh. In fact many
Macintosh users show it off on a Macintosh to church leaders with the
hope of convincing them to migrate from Windows to Macintosh. It has
literally become an evangelism tool for both God and the Macintosh! Rev.
Glenn A. Lucas Ephesians 5:18-21

Church Membership Keeper
A FileMaker Pro Solution
<http://www.pacificnet.net/~pastorg/cmk.html>

Email: <pastorg@pacificnet.net>
Personal WWW: <http://www.pacificnet.net/~pastorg>

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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 02:06:46 -0000
From: John Halbig <john@garage.com>
Subject: ?? - Mac OS Survey Software

This request is from:

Connie Mahan, <connie@c-t-g.com>

I am looking for Mac survey software. So far, all the offerings I've seen
are windoze only, though my search on the web was not exhaustive. I
thought to myself, "why go through 1187 listings when I ask the
Evangelists what might be out there for the Mac?" I am particularly
interested in a package that would be suitable for nonprofessional survey
takers, and one that is suited to doing email surveys.

By the way, I just helped convert a (very) small nonprofit from pcs to
Macs. A moral victory at least!

Thanks for any ideas on the survey stuff.

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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 02:06:45 -0000
From: John Halbig <john@garage.com>
Subject: Followup - X-Windowing Emulation on the Mac

This follow-up message is from:

Joe Gardner, <jgardne@soc.nwa.com>

A big "THANX!" to all the Evangelistas who took the time to respond to my
request for X-Windowing software for the Macintosh. As usual, you showed
what a helpful, giving community we are. There were far too many
responses to reply individually, so I've compiled the information into
this post. It's a bit long, for which I apologize, but contains a lot of
useful data for anyone looking to X Window on their Mac. I tried to save
some time by using direct quotes from the messages I received. These
quoted remarks were taken as received and I can't vouch for the veracity
of any of the quoted sections. They are the voices of the 'Listas. ;)

First, the lesson...

"X Window" (hereinafter simply X) is the graphical user interface of the
UNIX world. It's similar to the Windoze 3.x system in that the X GUI runs
on top of the UNIX operating system. But X is a little different. It is
actually two parts - a server process and a display process. The server
process can run on the UNIX box or locally on a workstation. The GUI
display process can run on a workstation, an x- terminal, or a Mac or PC
running emulation software (that is, acting as an x-terminal). The
ability to redirect the X display to any available terminal (either on
the network or over a modem to your home computer) is a big advantage of
X.

The terminology used in X is a little backwards. The application running
on the UNIX box or workstation is actually the "client" and the X
software on the PC or Mac or whatever is called the "server". Confusing,
but it helps to think of the Mac or whatever as a display server. X can
run either "rooted" or "rootless". In "rooted" mode, it creates a single
window that contains all the other X windows (applications). This is good
because you can size the X "desktop" to be bigger than your actual screen
and scroll around a huge workspace. Very convenient if the X applications
you're running use big big windows (this seems to be pretty common,
actually). In "rootless" mode, all the X windows open up just like normal
Mac or PC windows. This may make the screen updates a little faster as
part of the win- dow management is taken over by the Mac or PC processor.
But if you open a window bigger than your screen size, well... the
various X servers deal with that in different ways.

Here's the scoop on the products...

MacX from Apple Computer
Version 2.0 Press Release from Apple:
<http://product.info.apple.com/pr/press.releases/1997/q4/970805.pr>.
rel.macx2.0.html> MacWorld review of version 2.0 (four mice):
<http://macworld.zdnet.com/pages/february.98/Reviews.4177.html>

Pros
new version 2 much improved, cheaper than eXodus (about US$120?), may be
FREE in the future (with Mac OS 8.2?), "can even copy and paste between
Mac and X applications", "handles color very nicely, it comes with all
the fonts you could ever want... it's very reliable, and it's fast",
"works with any 030 or better Mac running System 7.1", rootless mode

Cons
slow over PPP/modem connection, "does not handle the most complicated
windows, though that may be simply a memory problem", "very annoying
about asking me for my password for each program I run", "only one user
can use MacX at one time, per Unix machine", "for graphic intensive
applications (things that draw the gui over and over again) [MacX is]
pretty slow and unworkable"

- ---------------------------

eXodus from White Pine Software
<http://www.wpine.com/exodus>

Pros
time-limited (30 days) demo available, "the most stable, robust X Window
implementation we've seen", "very easy to configure and maintain.
Technical Support from White Pine is excellent", "absolutely the best
you'll find for the Mac", "provides a stable, usable and
easy-to-understand X-windowing environment", "has more flexibility",
rootless mode

Cons
"Exodus does not support OpenGL, so if you plan to view an OpenGL program
(running on a Silicon Graphics host) on your Mac, it won't work", may
require a three-button mouse (?), "had to re-enter the license and serial
info every time I launched it"

- ---------------------------

MI/X from MicroImages
<http://www.microimages.com/freestuf/mix> or
<http://tnt.microimages.com/www/html/freestuf/mix> Australasian mirror
for Mac OS files only:
<ftp://ftp.unsw.edu.au/pub/mac/comm/microimages-x-server-ppc.hqx>
<ftp://ftp.unsw.edu.au/pub/mac/comm/microimages-x-server-68k.hqx>

Pros
FREE, includes its own window manager (TWM), full-featured, "a closer
match to the standard", "has good documentation", "there is a program to
do the initial XDM that is free too"

Cons
network bandwidth may be an issue, TWM is not the most elegant interface,
"the only thing that it can't do which I would find very useful is
display native SGI/GL graphics, which unfortunately encompasses a large
number of SGI/X-Windows apps", "not as fully featured and does not
support XDM" (makes connection easier), "I suggest killing their
proprietary, local window manager and running motif, olwm, etc.
server-side", "you have to start the X client from a telnet session or
some other way to cause the client to begin running", "it will
occasionally crash", only works in 256 color mode (not sure about this;
it was only mentioned once in all the responses), "recommend 32 meg of
ram... using it on a PowerMac 7100, with 16,... was somewhat sluggish",
no rootless mode, "I've had trouble getting this to work under MacOS
8/PPP. (a known issue with this SW)"

- ---------------------------

XTen from Tenon Intersystems
<http://www.tenon.com>

Pros
"supposed to be faster than the others", "very straightforward to set up
on the Mac", "the most reliable x terminal emulator"

Cons
"requires a good bit of UNIX knowledge and doesn't co-exist as nicely
with MacOS apps as MacX", "not cheap"

- ---------------------------

MachTen from Tenon Intersystems
<http://www.tenon.com>
"a full UNIX implementation built on a Mach micro-kernel and BSD 4.4
UNIX", "includes all of the GNU development and X utilities, as well as
an AfterStep window manager to go along with the Motif (mwm), OpenLook
(olwm), Tab (twm) and FV (fvwm) window managers"

Pros
"bypasses QuickDraw to achieve 10x performance under situations of high
graphics load"

Cons
"The downside to bypassing QuickDraw is the lack of cut and paste between
your X-Window and the rest of the Mac", "pretty expensive"

- ---------------------------

Xoftware from AGE Logic (now NetManage) <http://www.age.com> (no mention
of Xoftware on their products page)

Pros

Cons
"no longer sold or supported"

- ---------------------------

Linux for Mac ("Both run various X windows GUIs for Linux")

LinuxPPC:
<http://www.linuxppc.org/orders>
cheap, "rock solid"

MkLinux:
<http://www.ptf.com/ptf/sales/Ordering>
FREE

We're now looking at the three most popular packages (MacX, eXodus, and
MI/X) to see which one best fits our needs. Again, many thanks to the
Evangelista legions for coming to the aid of a non-UNIX geek.

p.s. A pleasurable side-effect of getting swamped with all this mail was
reading the .sigs used on the notes. Here's my favorite:

In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for windows or
gates?

If anyone knows the author of this, could you let me know?

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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 02:06:45 -0000
From: John Halbig <john@garage.com>
Subject: $$ - Toy Collection -- Vintage Automobiles CD-ROM

This special offer is from:

Jim Bunte, <jimbunte@earthlink.net>

Own Toy Collection -- rare virtual toys on interactive CDrom!

Now shipping -- American Eagle Entertainment's debut release, Toy
Collection -- Vintage Automobiles! Filled with vintage tin car, truck,
and motorcycle toys from the classic period of toy manufacture, Toy
Collection is fun, educational, witty, and darn good-looking. Think of
Toy Collection as the world's coolest coffee table book that never
gathers dust. Great for toy fans, pop culture fans, and vintage car and
motorcycle fans.

Naturally, every bit of this product was created using Apple Power
Macintoshes. Is there really anything else?

Evangelists can own Toy Collection for a very special price. Normally we
charge $24.99 plus $4 shipping, but Evangelists can purchase Toy
Collection for a mere $15 postpaid! That's practically half price! Where
else can you have this much fun and save this much money, all at once?
Exactly.

To order, visit our website's special Evangelist page at:

<http://www.ameri-eagle.com/evantc.html>

or simply send a check or money order (US funds) for $15 to

American Eagle Entertainment Inc.,
1223 Wilshire Blvd., Ste. 866,
Santa Monica, CA 90403.

(California residents, please add 8.25% sales tax for a total of $16.24.)

And because we're now shipping, you can have your own Toy Collection in a
matter of days!

Even if you're not interested in purchasing Toy Collection right away,
please visit our website and download all the free, terrific MacOS 8
desktop pictures we've posted. Again, our website is www.ameri-eagle.com.

Thank you for your support, and thanks, Apple, for the best computers and
system software in the world!

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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 02:06:47 -0000
From: John Halbig <john@garage.com>
Subject: Job - Porting Windows App to Mac

This job announcement is from:

Eric Rech, <ejrinc@2z.net>

Please Contact 1 800 847 0222

Thank You.

__________________________
Digital Guy Sez:

Wow...the shortest job listing in EvangeList history... :-)

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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 02:06:48 -0000
From: John Halbig <john@garage.com>
Subject: Followup - 3Com Encouraging Mac Conduit Development for Palm Pilot

This follow-up message is from:

Brian Hall, <brian_hall@markspace.com>

Mark/Space will be producing a MacOS conduit for PageNOW! - evangelistas
will be especially pleased to know that the MacOS conduit will precede
the Windows conduit as we do all of our PalmOS development on Macs!

<http://www.markspace.com/pagenow_mac.html>
http://www.markspace.com/pagenow_pilot.html>

Brian Hall
Mark/Space Softworks

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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 02:06:48 -0000
From: John Halbig <john@garage.com>
Subject: Followup - Orb Pricing

This follow-up message is from:

Robin Welsh, <robineko@hotmail.com>

We've done some recalculating and editing of our price list for Orb
MultiUser packs.

- -----
5-User: $229
10-User: $399
Lab Pack: $599 -- 30 users
- -----

Sorry about that. Remember, we are still in the developing stage, so we
still have some things to fix. This price list is permanant.

Thanks for your cooperation!

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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 02:06:48 -0000
From: John Halbig <john@garage.com>
Subject: ?? - Calling All Engineers Who Have Gone from PC to Mac

Peter Milburn, <elite.systems@shaw.wave.ca>

OK, listen up Mac Evangelistas who are engineers! I know you can do me
proud on this one. I recently wrote a review of the PowerMac G3/266 for
The Computer Paper, Canada's largest national computer publication.
Afterwards, I received a response from an engineer who is seriously
considering ditching his PC in favor of a brand new G3. I have provided
him with some information that will assist him with migrating, but I
think he would be better served by corresponding with other engineers who
have gone thru a similar transition process. He has given me permission
to relay his email address to other engineers who would like to
correspond with him about this matter. The address is:

<echeung@creo.com>

For your listening pleasure, here is the message I received from him:

"Hi, my name is Bill Cheung. I would like to thank you for an informative
article on the G3. My brother and I are discussing getting a new computer
and we're both interested in getting a G3, and we wanted to call upon
your expertise. My brother is an engineer and works with particular
software, and we're both wondering if his software will work on a Mac.
Also if they don't, would using Virtual PC help?

This is the list of the software: FrameMaker, Pagemaker, MathCad and
associated workbooks, Microsoft Powerpoint, Excel, Solidworks, AutoCad,
Visio, Axum, Maximizer

Do they work on Macs? I would appreciate it if you could put my in touch
with some engineers who have had to make the transition from PC to Mac,
esp. on the software side. Please e-mail me at <echeung@creo.com>. Thanks
very much for your help.

Bill and Ed Cheung

Ladies & Gentlemen... more evidence that 'The Mac is Back!'...

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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 02:06:49 -0000
From: John Halbig <john@garage.com>
Subject: Tidbit - Videoconferencing and CuSeeMe 3.1

This tidbit is from:

jonro, <jonro@gte.net>

I like to give credit where it's due, especially when a company has made
a concerted effort to produce a quality product for its Mac customers.

A couple of months ago, I bought a Panasonic EggCam to do some
videoconferencing from my Mac. The EggCam is only produced for the PC,
but video inputs are video inputs, so I bought one. It came with a copy
of CuSeeMe for Windows. So I wrote to White Pine to ask them about
upgrading from the Windows version that shipped with the EggCam to a Mac
version. They quickly and politely wrote back and told me that there was
no charge to switch from one version to another, and gave me the URL for
downloading the software and a new password.

So far, so good. But, it turned out that the then current version of
CuSeeMe was not compatible with System 8. I wrote to them again. They
said they were rewriting both versions and that CuSeeMe version 3.1 would
be equivalent on both platforms. The new version has been released and I
want you to know that it's great. Videoconferencing couldn't be more
convenient. It works with conferences (video chat rooms) and phone books
and allows you to fine-tune codecs and other settings during a call. All
in all, they've done a great job for their Mac users. So, I want to
recommend the product and the company to anyone interested in
videoconferencing with their Mac.

If you want more information about CUSeeMe, or want to download a demo
version, White Pine's URL is <http://www.wpine.com>.

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