rusty: :) Spider Joe: Hi Bob! Chas.: late greetings from Orlando... Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Hello Sorry I am late rusty: The NewsWatcher "Save list" would be a great way to setup the groups to import. Chas.: me too... Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: I guess you are talking about a News Utility for TF?? rusty: Jim is creating a News gateway from NewsWatcher Chas.: any particular topic today??? Bob Wright: Ahh..now I am seeing messages :) JimSmith-CMUG: I have been having lots of craches in the last 2 weeks and I think most of it is caused by Applescript, which I use to start free PPP and then connecting to SI. Chas.: no one's talking... Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Hello Bob rusty: It's an open forum today. SpiderChris: anything you want to discuss chas.... :-) Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: I use Applescript on my system but not to connect with. rusty: We should have a b15 release of TF server later in the day. Bob Wright: Howdy, Bob Chas.: everything of course!!! Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: What new features Rusty?? Bigger Faster or Better? Chas.: finally got our domain name resolved...and am creating my first home page... Bob Wright: Anybody here using Vicom's Internet Gateway? Brian (Wang's): Hey, Sorry I'm late. I took the top down on my Miata. It is a warm sunny day here in Memphis. SpiderChris: cool chas Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: I thought those were bugs in your teeth ;-) Bob Wright: 55 here in Virginia SpiderChris: thinking about taking the top of my jeep off soon. better not rain anymore this year :-) Brian (Wang's): haha Chas.: I guess a little input on how to create path to bbs....87 in FL BTW Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Jim are you trying to use Newswatcher to replace NNTP Sucker? JimSmith-CMUG: Yes, after much modification. rusty: faster, and more reliable with Open Transport. Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: And hopefully better supported? Brian (Wang's): I upgraded the tf server to 7.5.5 and ot1.1.2 and I finally got OT to work. It was network time that was locking me up. Everything works great. I am having trouble with my telnet clients the display goes real slow. What can I do to fix this????? rusty: Which vers of TF are you using Brian? Brian (Wang's): 5.5b14 Bob Wright: Here's a Q: since I have upgraded to 8550 with latestet versions of TF, users are telling me sometimes they call in and get modem connected, but they wait for host to start the login. How does one troubleshoot that one? JimSmith-CMUG: Yes. I don't have to worry about a job (work). Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Jim I hope that you will share with us your results. There are more than a couple of us that would like to move to 7.6 and the 1.1.2 but cannot get Net Sucker to work. Brian (Wang's): I had the same problem under the non beta stuff and I just told the port to be mactcp and it worked great. With my current setup it tells me it cann't do mactcp error can't connect type stuff. JimSmith-CMUG: I will. would like some Beta testers. rusty: Bob, that's usually a modem setup/ compatibility problem. Bob Wright: I tought someone posted and said they got 7.6 and 1.1.2 to work with NNTP sucker as long as they used OT/PPP and not FreePPP!?!? Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Let me know Jim I would be happy to test it on my setup. rusty: You can't use OT and MacTCP on the same port number, they need to be all OT or All MacTCP for a given port number. JimSmith-CMUG: I am using a PPC 8500 with 7.6. and OT 1.1.2 Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Are you having Net Sucker problems? Brian (Wang's): I have the port setup with my IP address and port 23. Brian (Wang's): Why does telnet go slow on OT and not MacTCP? rusty: I'll have to look at that. It's probably the single character handling that's makiing it slow Brian (Wang's): Could it be packet size? Isn't there a patch from apple dealing with web servers? Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Bob W. I had tried OT PPP using the FreePPP configuration. I need the load program feature that Free PPP offers to autoreboot my system and make my IP connect. Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: The only thing I didn't do is write down the PPP program that Chris mentioned last week. rusty: I wouldn't be inclinced to put that patch on. ( SlowOT ) it is NOT apple supported, and nobody knows what it realy does. Brian (Wang's): I thought it had something to do with the time to live stuff on tcp. Apple setup TCP with to short a timeout on the packets. Bob Wright: Bob N: can you get Chron to open your PPP connection? Bob Wright: or does Chron just see Apps only? Bob Wright: Bob N: did you see my last two messages? SpiderChris: Bob, Daniel O'Leary said the opposite... he's using 7.6, OT 1.1.2, and FreePPP and it works like a charm... SpiderChris: (oh sorry, works like a charm with NNTP Sucker. he had problems using apple's OT) Brian (Wang's): I lost my connection anything more about the OT vs Mactcp thing?? Bob Wright: Chris: ahh...maybe I am dislexic(sp?) ;-) JimSmith-CMUG: ME TOO? SpiderChris: I also recommend checking out NTS PPP... (www.nts.com). very good PPP implementation. SpiderChris: worry, the W95 reflector likes to die every once in a while.... SpiderChris: (i mean "sorry", not "worry") Brian (Wang's): I am using 7.6 and ot1.1.2 and ot ppp and it works great to dailin. It seems to be a little faster. Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: I have been corresponding with Daniel some. I have 7.6 and OTP 1.1.2 installed on the system I am on now and have had no problems. It does seem faster. I just can't get it to work with Net Sucker on my BBS system. Bob Wright: I found a bug with Vicom's ppp they are working on now :-/ Brian (Wang's): I thing microsoft has a timer that checks to see the last time it screwed with the user and does something if it has been to long. :) Chas.: crash - I'm back... R3: hey... Bob Wright: Bob N - did you see my messages about Chron? rusty: Hey Russ! SpiderChris: Hey Russ! Brian (Wang's): Hi. Bob Wright: Brian: haha...you are probably right Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Yes I did but unfortuntely have had no time to experiment. My new system bit the dust about 30 hours after I set it up. I have sent it back and am waiting on a replacement. Had to go back up on my old hardware Spider Joe: Goodbye everyone...I got to take off early...Have a good weekend Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Bye Jose have a good one! Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Rusty what do you guys do for backup? Chas.: has anyone experimented with RealAudio & TF? Brian (Wang's): I heard that there is a problem with url's crashing webstar. Does tf have any problems like this or is a bug in WebStar? Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: WHat about the infamous "Ping of Death"? rusty: We use Retrospect on DAT tape rusty: No, that sounds like its just a bug in WebStar rusty: Ping of Death is a "Stack" issue. Brian (Wang's): What realaudio and tf, what do you mean. I have played with real player and it does video along with the audio stuff. Hello T1, maybe they could call the service At Home with T1. rusty: OT is vulnerable to it, but MacTCP is not. R3: ping of death can be stopped by your router... Brian (Wang's): Glad to see that they fixed it in OT. rusty: There is an OT in the works at Apple that stops it too. Chas.: we're looking to serve limited RA files from within TF server, to complement out tele hotline Brian (Wang's): I have had pop servers bit the dust because of bad client software. Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: I saw the Web review in MacWeek. I wish they would have use a later version. I suspect it would stack up a bit higher now wouldn't it. They kinda breezed by the fact that it is also a great mail server etc. Brian (Wang's): So you mean a RA server will be build in??? R3: I heard that the POD is really just a California thingie and won't hurt machines on the good side of the country... Bob Wright: she is too embarassed to get on camera ;-) SpiderChris: haha Russ, i'm sure that's just a false rumor ;-) Chas.: I noticed the speed improvement in latest v w/OT - dramatic improvement on 28.8 Brian (Wang's): I read the Article also and they didn't cover TF enough. It looked like you guys did well in the stats compared to the other servers. I was disapointed that they didn't list the connections per sec and transfer rates of TF and they did on everything else. rusty: Our goal for 5.5 is to double WebStars performance and make TF the first MacOS web server with performance that rivals, and beats, UNIX servers. rusty: ie: we want to kick some ass! Bob Wright: definite spped improvement; I went from 1.9k-2.3k average to 2.8k-3.3k 8-) R3: My personal findings are that if you would just run a inexpensive router with your 28.8 line, the speed increase is very dramatic... I have proof of over 10,000 bytes per second on Rod's test files... Bob Wright: Rusty: :-) Chas.: define inexpensive router... Brian (Wang's): Did you see the connection per sec on mac vs unix vs nt. NT was like twice as fast as sgi. R3: A Compatible Systems model 900i sells for below $900.00... how's that... Bob Wright: I am going to head out early. Take care, all. Chris: thanks for the help this week. Bob N: I hope you get your system going :-) ...later rusty: see ya SpiderChris: take care BobW Brian (Wang's): bye R3: all of those tests refer to 100base-t, not the real world. They are not realistic. Chas.: networks - that is an area I need some insight on... R3: bye rusty: see ya Russ Brian (Wang's): I have been using CPU doubler and it makes my web lasso searchs 4 times as fast. R3: ok..bye? rusty: The files in that test were 128 to 256 bytes! How many we pages are even close to that small? rusty: It was a bad, and misleading test. Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Perhaps you could publish your own tests on your web site? rusty: But they made TF look better that it was for 5.1 :) rusty: I've never been able to get more than 20 hits per second from 5.1! Chas.: at least they should look at a semi-current v. Brian (Wang's): They wanted to show the max. It would be nice to see a full web server test, Setup time, Mantainence time, Transfer times, connections, cgi time, etc. Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: They say any press is better than no press at all. rusty: We will put our own test results on line when 5.5 is released. Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Perhaps they'll do a follow up article if enough people complain?? rusty: And we'll show people how that can make their own tests. Brian (Wang's): The other part of a good web server is how easy it is to keep up. Nothing can match lasso on PC side. SpiderChris: not likely bob.... R3: read http://www.apacheweek.com/issues/97-03-07 for the official apache response that I agree with... I run apache and I know how fast it really is. rusty: In all fairness, the test does show that Web * may not be the best choice for an Intranet server at this time. R3: but of course any test can be skewed to match the reviewers hidden agenda... Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Like promoting the people who spend big ad bucks with ya over someone else perhaps? Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Nah doesn't over happen ;-) R3: aside from tf... I'll match my O2 or sparc running apache to anything you want... R3: next time your back on the good side Chris... I'll let you fondle my O2... <:-) rusty: : 0 ! SpiderChris: woohoo! rusty: back to the mines for me... SpiderChris: yes, the rubber chicken! rusty: any last Q's before we close up for today? Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Looking forward to the new Server version! R3: ok guys... I'm outa here... SpiderChris: have a good day all.... :-) rusty: OK -- see you all next week! Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: let me know Jim. headgap@headgap.com Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Bye have a good weekend!