Bob Nunn: Greetings Rusty Tucker: Hola! Bob Nunn: Got to chat with Jose a bit Friday. Bob Nunn: Seems like he landed okay. Rusty Tucker: I will have a response for you tomorrow. I didn't get to writing it up this weekend. It was my son's b-day and holiday and all. Rusty Tucker: Yes, Jose will do very well at Keyspan. Bob Nunn: No problem, I took it easy this weekend as well. Been putting to many hours in lately. Rusty Tucker: Welcome Rex! Bob Nunn: Hello Rex and mikael mikael fredriksson: Hi! Rusty Tucker: Hi Mikael. Rex Chadwell: Hi, Just thought I'd stop by and see what's up. Rusty Tucker: We have 20 nodes open today! Rusty Tucker: We filled up 10 last week Rex Chadwell: Sounds like business is good. GREAT! Bob Nunn: I have started to mark my calendars. Perhaps I can actually make a few. Rusty Tucker: I'm still working on my email from the "Still Open" posting :) Rusty Tucker: A lot of it came from non-TF users too. Rusty Tucker: Is this your first chat with us Rex? Rex Chadwell: Yes it is Bob Nunn: I enjoyed the chat with Ken Sutherland of Highlander last week. Suppose we will see a beta on that mail plug-in soon? Rusty Tucker: If you don't mind, hy don't you tell us a little about your system. Rex Chadwell: I've been using TF for a few years now and it's a wonderful program -- need to get myself busy and upgrade the software. Rusty Tucker: I think the mail PI should be in beta soon. Rex Chadwell: Oh, I run a very small BBS here near Chicago. Rusty Tucker: We can handle the upgrades via telephone w/ visa,mc or amex. Rusty Tucker: Is yours a public BBS? Rex Chadwell: Yes, but mostly for pilots. Rusty Tucker: Thats right, you flew for United airlines? Rex Chadwell: Ahh, no, I fly for the really good airline, American! Rusty Tucker: :) , oops Rex Chadwell: Well, Chicago is there town, but we're a very strong second. Rusty Tucker: Plz send me some info and I'll add you to our Web Site in the BBS list Rex Chadwell: Okay, I'll get it to you. ThanX Rusty Tucker: You can see the format at http://www.spiderisland.com/bbslist/bbslist.spml mikael fredriksson: Rusty MS think that @mailbox.macexchange.se (AIMS) and @macexchange.se is the same (MS is on tf.macexchange.se) on outbound mail from TFU Bob Nunn: Speaking of that would you please change the finger command on mine. It calls to that old acgi? I get to hear that tire whump to often. Rusty Tucker: u bet Rusty Tucker: oh, that must be because mailbox is a sub of @macexchange.se mikael fredriksson: yes Rusty Tucker: maybe try adding mailbox.macexchange.se as a specific domain to the Internet gate Rex Chadwell: Rusty, this chat thing is really neat. Thanks for the invite, via, email, and I'll try to stop by again. Keep up the good work. Rusty Tucker: thats normal for MS to treat the subs that way Rusty Tucker: Thanks Rex, pelase stop in again. mikael fredriksson: Any idea on how to setup MS? Rusty Tucker: In the Internet gateway, add mailbox.macexchange.se to the domains list. Rusty Tucker: As it is now, .macexchange.se in the local list looks like the best place to put the mail. mikael fredriksson: mailbox.macexchange.se is my "buffer" SMTP server... Rusty Tucker: u mean it routes outbound mail? mikael fredriksson: yes Rusty Tucker: why is there mail addresses to users there? Rusty Tucker: ( Bob, Finger is updated now on our list ) mikael fredriksson: a few mikael fredriksson: It worked when I added mailbox to the domains Bob Nunn: Thanks much mikael fredriksson: list Rusty Tucker: Good! Bob Nunn: I have been working on a set of sysop maintenance type pages using spml and the output of the log files and suzie. Should I place these files in a sysop only realm? or is there other options. With the siUserManager it is nice to bounce back and forth between my newusers.spml page and it Rusty Tucker: Do you understand why it didn't before? Russ Reynaga: chicken be here... Twice? Rusty Tucker: You can add it to the "admin" realm, or make a new realm for them. It just depends who you want to be able to access them. Rusty Tucker: Hey Russ! Bob Nunn: Hello Russ Rusty Tucker: What a deal, 2x in less than one week! Russ Reynaga: how come I'm listed twice on top? Rusty Tucker: oh, i see you 1x mikael fredriksson: You are only 1x here.. Rusty Tucker: that happens sometimes w/ TF Russ Reynaga: boo... let me exit and come in again... Rusty Tucker: it hasn't been enuf of a problem to figure it out Russ Reynaga: ok all better... Rusty Tucker: I think the user entered chat message beats the you're in message Bob Nunn: The only niggle I still have with just about anything is when you delete text in email and you lose the top of the message sometimes. Still no biggy. Just open another. Russ Reynaga: cool... does that mean my machine is faster than my connection... (I have no idea what I am talking about here... just ignore.) Rusty Tucker: Something like that:) Russ Reynaga: I miss marisol... <:-( Rusty Tucker: Give her a call, she's in back putting together an order right now! Rusty Tucker: I guess you're not on the TF-announce mail list? mikael fredriksson: Have you seen the press info about Apple and Power C? Rusty Tucker: I saw that this am. Bob Nunn: Not today Russ Reynaga: Yes, I am on that list... just wanted to see if she was STILL there... Rusty Tucker: Apple bought back their license and some other stuff for $100M mikael fredriksson: Any reactions about it in the US? Bob Nunn: Uh Oh Rusty Tucker: Not in the general press as of yet Russ Reynaga: apple bought out PPCo lock stock and barrel for $100M in apple stock... Daniel Parker: Hi All Russ Reynaga: howdy Daniel... Bob Nunn: Hey Daniel Rusty Tucker: Hi Daniel ( the "leaker" ) Parker :) Rusty Tucker: Just teasing! Daniel Parker: Its too !@#$en early (6.24AM) Daniel Parker: Yep, thats me Bob Nunn: Guess I better go read MacWeek Russ Reynaga: Aw shoot... this happens all the time... someone at the door now.. later guys mikael fredriksson: The company that sell Power C here in Sweden think that they will have a fire sale here Rusty Tucker: Anything I post to tf-announce and the TFNet areas is assumed to be for public consumption. Bob Nunn: Apple closes down Mac OS update program for clone buyers The company said its policy change is a result of the stalled licensing talks. (News) August 29 Rusty Tucker: Especially anything posted on the "whats new" web page. Rusty Tucker: That got a lot of notice Daniel, I got quite a bit of email today, also from non- TFers. Rusty Tucker: Even Marisol got a call over the weekend from a friend that saw here name in the MacOS rumors page :) Rusty Tucker: B - check Macintouch or www.news.com Rusty Tucker: Hosea! Jose Arellano: hello all Jose Arellano: Fe02 Bob Nunn: hey Hose! Jose Arellano: Hiya bob! Jose Arellano: Hi Mikael mikael fredriksson: Hi Jose did you get the picture? Jose Arellano: Yes, thank you very much Rusty Tucker: MacWEEK has been a mess since the merger. They are _very_ slow on the news. Bob Nunn: Got a better web news site? Rusty Tucker: Macintouch or www.news.com Rusty Tucker: also http://www.macosrumors.com/ Jose Arellano: so whats the topic today? Daniel Parker: Thats where I got the info from mikael fredriksson: I usually check www.macsurfer.com they have links most sites (with headlines) Rusty Tucker: The topic is SmartSerial 6 Jose Arellano: Goodie! Rusty Tucker: Is the SX4 a better way to go? Jose Arellano: I'n most cases yes Rusty Tucker: And, how can you make the PPP server work with TF? Jose Arellano: The SX card is 2 or 4 port PCI card for the Mac Rusty Tucker: We've had a few reports of the SS6 being a little slow w/ all ports running at 57.6. Is the SX4 better at handling a full load? Jose Arellano: The main difference between the SX and the Smart Serial 6 (SS6) is that the SS6 has an onboard processor whereas the SX does not Jose Arellano: We're currently looking into that issue Rusty Tucker: So thet SS6 should be faster, no? Jose Arellano: On the first 2 ports only Rusty Tucker: Jose, we should set you up for this Friday Jose Arellano: The SS6 can sustain T1 speeds on the 1st port... Rusty Tucker: and let you tell us all about the new Keyspan Goodies in detail, OK? Jose Arellano: that would be great! Jose Arellano: sure! Bob Nunn: I would like to hear more about the PPP server Rusty Tucker: I don't want to put you on the spot right now. Bob Nunn: Friday would be fine Daniel Parker: PPP Server -Im interested Rusty Tucker: But, if its a go, I'll put you on the list and post the annouce. Jose Arellano: That's ok...I'm more than happy to speak about that one Jose Arellano: ...but i don't want to hog the spotloght if everyone's talking about the PowerComputing deal Rusty Tucker: Jon Paisley had a hack to make the Vicom router work with TF's User Manager. Rusty Tucker: It would be very interesting if that hack would work w/ ur PPP server too. Jose Arellano: really? That sounds *very* interesting...we may be able to use that Bob Nunn: That would be cool. Daniel Parker: Instead of using the file sharing users & groups Daniel Parker: ? Jose Arellano: FYI, The PPP Server is a hardware and software bundle... Rusty Tucker: Also, there's the issue of PPP "Proxy" versus tru IP routing. Rusty Tucker: We should adress where the PPP server fits in there. Jose Arellano: it comes with our SX-4, four port PCI serial card, and PPP Server software. Daniel Parker: Isnt Vicom Softrouter a PPP server? Rusty Tucker: That was a problem in the Vicom Softrouter, since it proxied you can't use CUSeeMe Jose Arellano: Daniel: Correct. Our PPP Server is really the Softrouter software... Daniel Parker: Jose - Who is 'Our' Jose Arellano: with slight changes to make the setup of a PPP Server much easier Rusty Tucker: And I'm sure everyone will want to know why Keyspan isn't bundling a Spider Island Web Server in the package :) Jose Arellano: =) Bob Nunn: At least the demo anyway huh? Jose Arellano: Our: Keyspan Jose Arellano: Unfortunately, we can't fit the TF demo onto a 3.5 disk Rusty Tucker: one word: CD mikael fredriksson: Why not a CD :-) Jose Arellano: maybe if we get a CD-Rom burner...hmmm...=) Bob Nunn: Second word "really tremendous file compression" Rusty Tucker: No, really we Keyspan should have at _least_ a functional web server in the package. Jose Arellano: I don't think they're accepting software or hardware PO's from me anymore...not after I ordered a 200mhz mac and 20 copies of Marathon =) Bob Nunn: YOu have to keep up productivity, don't you? Jose Arellano: The issue has come up and we're currently looking at it. Jose Arellano: err...umm...sure! Daniel Parker: http://www.keyspan.com/ppp.html mentions radus security Rusty Tucker: And SI could easily produce a Stand Alone web server that would be great for the package. Daniel Parker: does it work with MacRadius? (I know what sounds like a dumb question) Rusty Tucker: I think it will work with MacRadius Dan. Rusty Tucker: Mac Radius also supports some sort of Plug-ins Jose Arellano: Yes, the PPP Server can use any Radius Authentication Server. Jose Arellano: However, you should use MacRadius...hey, it's a mac product! Daniel Parker: Does the standard Vicom Softrouter support radius? or was this one of the modifications Rusty Tucker: There may be a way to hook TF to MacRadius that way. But i have not looked close enough at the Plugin specs to know Bob Nunn: Okay what is MacRadius you got me.... Jose Arellano: Daniel:I believe it does... Jose Arellano: MacRadius is a Radius protocol server Rusty Tucker: Cisco has something similar called TAPICs that lets them maintain a central "User Manager" for PPP logins. Rusty Tucker: Radius is an RFC way to do similar things. Rusty Tucker: Its also extensible and has features for time measurement and so on. Rusty Tucker: its basicall an Internet User Manager protocol, to put it in TF terms. Bob Nunn: Would give you billable hours etc. Rusty Tucker: Time online and so one. Daniel Parker: Yes, And if Usermanager talked nicely to a Radius server it would give you one database for both your PPP server, as well as TF. Hint Hint Bob Nunn: Gotcha, makes sense now Rusty Tucker: - 3rd party opportunity! Daniel Parker: Wheres Ken & Jonathon when you need them! Rusty Tucker: You just need a TCP server speaking radius to clients, and talking to UM via AppleEvents. Jose Arellano: I better get going...I have a meeting that I have to get prepared for...I hope to see eveyone Friday! Bob Nunn: Bye, Looking forward to it. Jose Arellano: Bye eveyone! Rusty Tucker: i ran out of session time Daniel Parker: Change it with UM plug Rusty Tucker: It might be fairly easy to do a Radius lite that would work with the Keyspan server Daniel Parker: Are there any stats of webstar Vs TF? Bob Nunn: And small ISP's would fill the land Daniel Parker: I have a 3MBit internet connection, a small isp is definately a possibility Rusty Tucker: We did some comparisons here, but OT 1.2 broke them Bob Nunn: Any word on 1.3 yet? Daniel Parker: WHat about beta 1.3? Rusty Tucker: OT 1.3 should make them valid again. Rusty Tucker: I haven't retested yet. Rusty Tucker: I was waiting for something better than an "alpha" OS release. Rusty Tucker: Especially since you get a new file system with 8.01 Bob Nunn: You'll have to put up graphs, must have graphs. Reformatting again oh goody! Rusty Tucker: I don't like to trust my files to Alpha:) Daniel Parker: True, I have to go, maybe see you Friday (There nees to be a friday chat at 4PM Spider Island time!) Bob Nunn: I would love to recover all the space on my 2.0 and 3.2 gig drives Bob Nunn: Bye Daniel. Rusty Tucker: Sequoia will be very TF friendly in that regard! Rusty Tucker: Dan, Tues is Prime Time. Rusty Tucker: Making we can get Jose to repeat next tues eve. Bob Nunn: Those little mail folders are killing me, as well as the newsgroups. Even small partitions still kill you. You may be the only one who remember how to spell seq. HFS+ is easier. Bye Rusty Tucker: :) Rusty Tucker: guess thats all for now mikael fredriksson: Rusty have you heard anything from Chris? Rusty Tucker: I'll be back at 6pm Rusty Tucker: Not sinclast week. mikael fredriksson: ok Rusty Tucker: He had 4 offers, not sure which he took mikael fredriksson: :) Rusty Tucker: Had he been up in San Jose, it would have been 20 for sure. mikael fredriksson: time to go home from work 9 PM here mikael fredriksson: ok