rusty: Hi Bob Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Good Morning! rusty: welcome Jim JimSmith-CMUG: Hi all SpiderChris: greetings all Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Hey rusty: hello MIkael rusty: ( no Reagan pix today?) rusty: well, can we Ship It? SpiderChris: jim, i sent you email shortly... i found your posting on the net just fine JimSmith-CMUG: Yes, thanks rusty: was that a Loolypop posting? :) JimSmith-CMUG: I am having problem with TF serial number being saved and AppleScript not re-activating node. JimSmith-CMUG: yes. and from TF MS. SpiderChris: rusty's correcting my grammer.... SpiderChris: i sent email "recently" rusty: Is that still a prob Jim? rusty: It sounds like the TF applciation file is locked. R3: here's 'da chicken... JimSmith-CMUG: yes. I have b22 up and going. rusty: TF Stores valid reg info in its resource fork. If its locked it can't save it. rusty: What if you just quit and restart TF manually? Does that work? rusty: bauk, bauk baaauuuk! SpiderChris: re-hi Russ R3: howdy guys... JimSmith-CMUG: No. anyway its stoped. rusty: ? what is stopped? JimSmith-CMUG: Quit menu or re-boot(hard). rusty: I see Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Chris, I had a few of my old conference messages showing up as new messages. B14 seems to have fixed that. Was that because it did a repair? rusty: Jim, when did the problem of losign reg info actually begin? SpiderChris: Bob, yeah... the repair that it did didn't really work, so it kept doing it, and it didn't set the date back after it was done. Mail Server now ALWAYS sets the date of a topic to that of the last message after it makes changes. JimSmith-CMUG: I am not sure, with b18 or b19. Just checked and Mod date has changed when I do application info. Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: I knew that you had did something. Seems better now. Is it best just to kill old topics and let them rebuild like on shared TFNET Conf.?? Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Hey Rusty did you go to the trouble of registering spider.island.store etc. when they added the other domains? rusty: no, we have just SpiderIsland.com. Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: I was concerned that my company might lose theopportunity to use the other names if we didn't register them. Kinda kills the point for adding them if everyone does that. jonathan paisley@hi: hey folks rusty: I won't CAVE to the name explosion CONSPIRACY! Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Well it costs and its a lot of trouble. I would hate for someone to start a wangs.store I think my boss might be irritated by that. SpiderChris: Bob, yes indeed. But its going to be a while before the new domains are widely supported. EVERY name server needs to be updated.... Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: I was wondering. Going to make the DNS slower rusty: It shouldn 't make DNS slower. rusty: the new suffixes just have a different root server Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Well if they fill it up with all the new names. I guess it is indexed. I have no experience there. rusty: Instead of starting with internic for .com, you start with someother server for .store. rusty: and here for ".rusty" domains, just $100 per year! :) jonathan paisley@hi: anyone care to fill me in on what these new servers do? .. first I've heard of this new domains rusty: Be the first on your block... Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: I haven't been on internic I just heard it on CNN. About 5 new domains as I recall. Guess they were running out. jonathan paisley@hi: heh, and how does a dns know to come to you for .rusty domains? jonathan paisley@hi: rusty, didya get a chance to try the tfemail cgi with has network user manager support? rusty: no takers for a .rusty domain? Dang! SpiderChris: jonathan, there's a movement to add new top level domains to supplement .com, .org, etc... and to allow other companies besides InterNIC to manage them. R3: wait till they announce .chicken domains! rusty: ! I'd like to capture the .RTFM root, and host all the support servers :) SpiderChris: the InterNic is going to sue to stop the new domains... jonathan paisley@hi: heh jonathan paisley@hi: jonathan paisley@hi: I suppose it doesn't like the idea of the control getting out of its hands R3: ok guys... 'da chicken has to go, see ya. rusty: I didn't see the tfmail cgi yet. rusty: Bye Russ SpiderChris: take it easy russ rusty: Been busyt trying to get 5.5 settled down rusty: I'll ask Jose to install it next week jonathan paisley@hi: righto. BTW, I'm impressed. Speech Manager just pronounced Jose's name correctly. I've never heard it before... rusty: The NIC is a multi-billion dollar biz. They're not going to like it at all. Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: I was looking for a voice with an english accent for you... jonathan paisley@hi: no such luck I suppose. Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Afraid there wasn't any with a southern drawl either. jonathan paisley@hi: heh SpiderChris: Yea, i want voices with accents too! :-) Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: FreePPP 2.5.3 is out now. Does better on OT Mikael Fredriksson: Rusty will www support for european characters get in to the 5.5 release? rusty: A Server API is being added to W* plugins. rusty: Plug-ins will be able to "listen" for TCP conenctions and then serve them. rusty: The current PI api only lets them initiate connections as a client. jonathan paisley@hi: Wow! jonathan paisley@hi: sounds great Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: If you guys get a chance look at http://hacke.infinit.se/indexeng.html This tells of a reward offer a group of Sweds who offered a $13,500 reward for anyone who could break into a mac running webstar. Good stuff Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: The person who got the closest had almost talked one of the employees into changing the pages. The only ones that got close. Good AMMO if your MIS dept is eat up with NT. Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: If that plug in works like I think I could act as a host for dialins? JimSmith-CMUG: Need MacOS lesson.. TF Server application info... its not locked but will not let me change the memory requirements. save for User Man. jonathan paisley@hi: is it open ? rusty: Are you putting TF in the "Applications" folder? rusty: Maybe the "protection" is turned on. jonathan paisley@hi: god forbid JimSmith-CMUG: It in the Telefinder BBS folder Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Run Norton - soon Bob Wright: too many lights on today ;) Bob Wright: is there a chance we might get the relams to be listed by name alphabetically? Bob Wright: realms jonathan paisley@hi: jim, check the resource files with resedit. 'Verify' them. Try changing the SIZE resources manually Bob Nunn Ą Headgap >> Bob Wright: Bob - did you get that 8500 working. I am having trouble with my dual scsi bus. Are you using the second bus on that machine. Bob Wright: Bob N: my 8500 has been up and running smooth now for sometime. I am back to my normal uptimes of +20 days. I am not using the second SCSI. I do have a SCSI Hurdler which works fine rusty: what 2nd SCSI do you mean, the SCSI bus or another SCSI Hurder? Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: The 8500 has a dual scsi but 0 and 1. My 8100 shares this and I hve been having trouble. Bob W says he isnt using his. I have a stack of CDs hooked to mine. rusty: Jim, does anything change if you lock, then unlock the applications? JimSmith-CMUG: It does not make any dif. if I lock then unlock. but its locked?? will keep at it.. rusty: BTW- we've tested B22 with Tango and Lasso File Maker plug-ins, and both work. Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: I'll pass that along to Brian here. He was looking forward to it for Lasso. He is hoping that it is faster. rusty: Tango is a little different about setup, the tango files need to be outside of the Web Space folder. jonathan paisley@hi: what does resedit say about the files jim? Have you tried editing the SIZE resource? Bob Wright: Chris: I changed the voice settings on my geektlak and my machine crashed :-/ rusty: It's much faster as a Plug-in. Bob Wright: Bob N: I have a SCSI Hurdler, 1 gb Power User HD and a 4 gb Tsunami HD hooked up via SCSI to the 8500. No probs! rusty: Jose seems to think that Tango is a little faster than Loasso, but we have not done an Apples to Apples test. Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: So those drives are hooked up externally, which would put them on the second bus. Guess its just me. rusty: Tango lets you link to FileMaker runing on a second computer! Bob Wright: Bob N: I guess so...no probs here SpiderChris: Bob W, fixed in version 1.1.1. http://www.spiderisland.com/~chris/geektalk/ Bob Wright: Chris: thanky! :-) rusty: For us, that's key. FileMaker is a resource hog, and we don;'t want it slowing down regular web page requests. Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: That makes a lot of sense. He has been running CPU Doubler to keep the speed of the filemaker requests up. rusty : We're putting together some favorable quotes about TF 5.5 for our Press Release. Bob Wright: Has the situation with allowing a user web space access, but not email been fixed? If you dont have can receive/send email, you can not uload files to web space even though you have can upload/download checked rusty : Would you like to contribute to that? Bob Nunn Ą Headgap >> rusty: Were you talking to me? rusty: If you have receive mail turned OFF, then TF does not permit you to put anything in your mail folder. rusty: I'm not sure we want to change that. Bob Wright: Rusty: but I have schools I want to create a homespace for, but not allow the send/receive of email Bob Wright: the last thing I need is for someone to use a "generic" account to send some email that I can trace it back to Bob Wright: can = cant rusty: Just turn receipt of mail on, they won't be able to send mail. Bob Wright: ok.... Bob Wright: Are you aslo looking into being able to add more than one access group to a realm at the same time? Bob Wright: with 29 schools, I have to click ADD 29 times for each realm in some instances jonathan paisley@hi: use a speadsheet to edit the config file Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Manually edit the text file and cut and paste Bob Wright: eh? Bob Wright: ahh.....seems cheap, but better than nothing Bob Wright: I suppose I could do similar in order to get the realm names in alpha order? Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Spread sheet would make it easy. I been using simpletext of tfs built in. Never thought to load excel. rusty: I think it may sort them by path, so it can look up requests more quickly jonathan paisley@hi: sounds right jonathan paisley@hi: but if you always use a spreadsheet, then you're ok jonathan paisley@hi: when does tf reload the config files rusty? Bob Wright: I just have a MEGA site and its hard to manage w/o alpha rusty: I use BBEdit since it doesn't word wrap and handleds Tabs. rusty: It reloads them when the web server resets. rusty: we could probably sort by realm name for the display tho. JimSmith-CMUG: yes Bob Wright: when you have 29 schools with 4 access groups at each, having the realms in alpha makes it easy to set up Bob Wright: Bob N: I also added 132mb of ram to the 8550! 8-) JimSmith-CMUG: That part of the NNTP code Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: I think with that many I would have to resort to a spreadsheet. There probably would be away to do it with filemaker. Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: What do you do with all that ram? Bob Wright: well, I am about to increase my gui nodes from 16 to 120. I am hoping that 4 connections per school can connect at the same time if necessary jonathan paisley@hi: Photoshop is the best use for that much ram jonathan paisley@hi: get rid of tf and become an artist jonathan paisley@hi: Bob Wright: also, I use filemaker w/ tango and I am putting the entire school district's card catalog on-line rusty: I'd like to see that when its done! Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Me too. I found an acgi that lets me turn my Power Key Pro off and on from the web. Bob Wright: Rusty: i have some of it up now. :) do you want the URL? rusty: u bet rusty: Bob, be sure to get the Tango Plug-in rusty: It works with B22 rusty: I have one request for everyone before we wrap up today Bob Wright: Rusty: http://pps.k12.va.us/cgi/catalog/Search.html rusty: I need some nice quotes about TF 5.5 that we can include in our press release. rusty: Something along the lines of a unique feature of 5.5 that is necessary to accmplish your online goals. jonathan paisley@hi: 'top class software at a quality price' exchange 'top' and 'quality' as desired ;) Bob Wright: TF 5.5 sholud get from MacUser its name in grade: 5.5! :-) Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: At Wang's we were able to give our HP terminal users Email. Something that nobody else could do and offer it in one package. rusty: Please send anything you come up with to me by email. Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Good. Probably be able to get some of the MIS guys here to think of a few things as well. rusty: Or just indicate if its OK if we use you as a name that a report can contact jonathan paisley@hi: 'TeleFinder BBS lets us use MaxTF utilities' Bob Wright: someone hit the search page....took 31254 milliseconds to respond Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Changes beta's faster than a speeding bullet. rusty: There you go Jon, something about TF's combination of web and email makes the TFMail cgi possible, and how that benfits those that are using it. Bob Wright: Bob N: haha ;-) SpiderChris: hehe rusty: ( no new one's today :) Mikael Fredriksson: Bob Nunn: And that was from Sweden... rusty: that's 30 seconds rusty: I think tango calulates the time it spends in File Maker. jonathan paisley@hi: Betas are so much easier to distribute if you have a permanent conection... I need to find some kinda automated TCP/IP transfer thing.. Like Synchronise rusty: How about a listserv to do it. Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: What happened to the guy that had doppleganger? jonathan paisley@hi: betas by email? Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Listserv would be a good idea rusty: Just mail it to the list and then it is remailed to the recepients. jonathan paisley@hi: I think Daniel Parker has troubles with his ISP or something along those lines jonathan paisley@hi: Is Listserv another thing like Macjordomo? I've never had any luck with Macjordomo Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: I finally got capacity and the beta is expired. Oh well. rusty: Yes, macjordomo is a listserv rusty: It will re-mail attachments Bob Wright: I'd prefer to get the beta when I am ready because I can not afford to "gamble" upgrading at times when I have an entire school system to keep running and I dont know what the beta will do jonathan paisley@hi: uhhu, I knew that, but is there another product called 'Listserv' jonathan paisley@hi: I suppose I could email to a user on Highlander, and the mail folder could be aliased in a public area. rusty: so will TF, as long as the list to resend to is less than 32K! rusty: StarNine has a couple of listservers as well. jonathan paisley@hi: What I would like is some kinda automated system to upload to the SI BBS Sysop Utils folder jonathan paisley@hi: Yeah, I've briefly looked at them, but not had time to investigate further Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: I have been using the forwarding features to do that. You can set up a nest if you need more than 32k rusty: we could set up a SW Distribution topic in TFnet. jonathan paisley@hi: Sounds good. Perhaps a set of topics, depending on the size of the distribution? rusty: I think you really want a listserv tho, so that you can control who's getting the sw. Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Yep you know that someone new would set it up for anyone to see without realizing the consequences. Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: SHould be a subscribe type thing. rusty: macjordomo works every well, one you have it set up. Its a bitch to understand its seutp direction s thos. Bob Wright: The import feature of macjordomo is flakey, too rusty: Look what I found :Title: 501 Ways to use the overhead projector Bob Wright: I have imported users' before, and macjordomo would not allow them send to the list even though I had imorted them rusty: :) what about the film strip projector? Bob Wright: yes, rusty, its friday ;) Bob Wright: WAIT!!!! Can it be true that I dont see Chrs' bike?!?!?!?! SpiderChris: time to wrap up i think.... SpiderChris: Hey! SpiderChris: it's been gone for a month now! ;-) rusty: stolen I think Bob Wright: no, you keep it in Jose's office ;) rusty: there couldn't be any other reason for it to move :) SpiderChris: hehe Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Goodbye-back to work for me. I was in the computer store and found out that Headgap made Harley Hahns WEB yellow pages book. Wouldn't spend $50 for it but nice that he put me in. SpiderChris: okay folks, have a good weekend! rusty: i can't talk much tho