Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Hello Chas Chas.: Good afternoon...thought I had a prob on this end... Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Nope the boys are a little late. SpiderChris: hello all SpiderJose: Hi Chas Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Hey Chris Chas.: missed it last week, only to find I didn't miss anything... Chas.: Hello Jose... Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Was there a conference last week?? SpiderJose: Hi Bob! SpiderChris: Bob, yes there was. Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Sorry I missed it. I tried to get on for a bit where you running late?? Chas.: I tried call all afternoon... Chas.: calling... Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Can we talk about handlers a bit?? SpiderChris: you bet bob Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Will this work? Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: hand BINHEX .lha hand BINHEX .lzh hand BINHEX .mod SpiderChris: bob, you can.... SpiderChris: but then the files are somewhat specific to macintosh. it doesn't seem like the right thing SpiderChris: i wouldn't recommend setting handlers for thos files. Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Nope they really are Amiga files, but the mod files are universal, more or less there are players for many platforms. Not set they download as text. SpiderChris: Use internet configure to set MIME types instead.... SpiderChris: sounds like you may have have internet config installed... SpiderChris: (may not have) Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Will this overide the built in Mime types or will it use internet congif in addition. SpiderChris: It uses internet config for nearly all MIME types SpiderChris: there are a few that TF Server will recognize if internet config is missing... GIF, JPEG, PICT... but everything else will come from internet config Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: I quit loading Internet Config after I started using the betas but understand that it is really what I need to do. SpiderChris: It doesn't need to be "loaded" (ie running), but it needs to be installed. SpiderChris: just run internet config and it will install the extension for you Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: I do have it installed. Possibly I don't have it set up properly for the filetypes then. Brian (Wang's): Hey everyone! SpiderJose: Hi Brian Brian (Wang's): I like the new server; Bob has been showing me some of the features. SpiderChris: yea, actually by default it comes with entries for those extensions, but does not have any MIME types. SpiderChris: that's why they are interpretted as text files. Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: I guess I ll have to read the docs to internet config and make sure I have those other filetypes set up properly. Brian do we have internet config installed here? SpiderChris: bob, you can set the mime type to application/octet-stream... that will do the trick Brian (Wang's): Yes bob we do. Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Great. I have been reading the FAQs etc on how all of this works and am beginning to understand. The way TF uses it though (format wise) looks different. Brian (Wang's): I have been using lasso and I can not use aliased directories with the web server, why? Brian (Wang's): Hey Bob did you get the info you needed on mime types? Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Yes I think so. rusty: ? Brian (Wang's): Can you use aliased directories in the web server. rusty: Lasso won't understand the Mapped Directories... SpiderChris: brian, no.. but you can use the URL alias feature to point to other folders. SpiderChris: "URL directory mapping"... correct terminolgy Brian (Wang's): ok rusty: How do you have lasso setup, and how are you trying to use the directory mapping feature with that? Brian (Wang's): I have lasso.acgi in the root of the web server. Brian (Wang's): I have html code that I would like to put on a server and have it call lasso. Brian (Wang's): The server is an NT server with a volume mounted on the desktop and I would like to open a folder to the web server. SpiderChris: brian, that's fine... (having lasso.acgi in the root..) Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Back again Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: I like using the speech chat. A first for me. Nice feature in TF user as well rusty: Did the info about Mapping make it to your talk window? Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Nope we missed it. Can you send and I ll print brian a copy Chas.: speech chat??? rusty: Brian (Wang's): I have lasso.acgi in the root of the web server. Brian (Wang's): I have html code that I would like to put on a server and have it call lasso. Brian (Wang's): The server is an NT server with a volume mounted on the desktop and I would like to open a folder to the web server. SpiderChris: brian, that's fine... (having lasso.acgi in the root..) rusty: yep, so far so good. SpiderChris: brian, the URL directory mapping will let you do just that rusty: The part that may not work is if you pass a "mapped url" as part of the request to lasso. rusty: Calling Lasso from a mapped page should work OK, there are variables in the AppleEvent to handle that. rusty: rusty: But there is nothing to help with passing a mapped URL as a parameter to Lasso. rusty: That should help Brian rusty: Chas. You should get a copy of GeekTalk for CUSeeME Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: I had never configured Speech on my machine but did recently and Geektalk uses it as well as Telefinder. rusty: its at ww.spiderisland.com/~chris/geektalk/ SpiderChris: chas, yes... http://www.spiderisland.com/~chris/geektalk/ Chas.: I saw, but lack of time to install/read/understand... SpiderChris: chas, it only works with the free version of CU-SeeMe, not the enhanced version. The same capability is in the Chat Room and Sysop Chat windows in TeleFinder/User 5.2beta Chas.: basically speaks text??? SpiderChris: Bob, at MacWorld Apple was showing a new version (with one of the future system versions) of Speech Manager that works much better. More intelligent about handling acronyms, and speech patterns SpiderChris: Chas, exactly. Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: More about Alises, I had to quit using aliases on my BBS which was convenient in some cases so that I could set up my Web BBS. Will it ever or is it somelthing in the architecture. Brian (Wang's): I tired a directory alias and it gave me a file not found error. Chas.: will TF 5.2 allow for web pages to speak??? Brian (Wang's): I read the stuff off of Bob's screen. I will have to try the url mapping. rusty: Mac Aliases are a pain for web serving, it would add significant overhead to request processing to also decode embedded aliases along the way. Brian (Wang's): I read that the new lasso (2.0) will allow web services. Will this work with telefinder. Lasso at port 8080 and telefinder at port 80 SpiderChris: Chas, Netscape might do that for you. Not really an issue with TeleFinder's web server Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Not that big a deal. I had to change the way I thought about setting up my BBS. rusty: TF Client uses a File Spec to acess files, while browsers use paths. Using the file spec we are able to go directly to a file, rather than decoding a path of aliases. SpiderChris: It should work find Brian. rusty: Yes, you can put any service on a different port from TF. Brian (Wang's): I would like to use telefinder server as an intranet server, are you guys selling it as such. rusty: Yes, Intranet or Internet, just depends on who is going to access it. Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: How secure to you think we are allowing info to be entered from the Web?? Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: IN terms of registering I mean Brian (Wang's): I see lasso as a big part of making telefinder work. Are you guys going to support lasso in any way? rusty: Its primarily suited to Intranet because of the email, conferencing and BSB services it has. rusty: TF fully supports lasso. Brian (Wang's): Could we see lasso be able to see the user manager maybe? rusty: Its just as secure as registering via the BBS over the net -- data is in clear text. rusty: The User Manager events are published, and Chris has put together some tools to use it via Frontier. Brian (Wang's): Have you guys looked into secure web services? rusty: SSL is not in our relase plans at this time. rusty: We do not have much demand for it at the moment. Brian (Wang's): So realms are it for now? rusty: If the demand is there, we can add it. rusty: Realms provide password protected areas, this is something that most people want in their sites. Brian (Wang's): Are you guys worried at all about the NEXT - APPLE thing? rusty: Along with online registration. rusty: I have not seen a secure page on the net in several months. Brian (Wang's): Realms are all we need right now. Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: I am very happy with it. I haven't advertised my site much since I have limited bandwidth but with the new set up configs it really is a piece of cake. I have mine linked to my homepage now at headgap.com rusty: I would have rather seen them provide the OS features we need without torching the Mac API. Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Are you guys going to be stuck developing for both old Mac OS and Next then? SpiderChris: Bob, no... we can't begin to seriously develop for NeXT because Apple has still not committed to anything or given us any real developer information. Brian (Wang's): I remember Next from years ago and it was and still is one off the nicest OS's. SpiderChris: Rumor has it they aren't even sure what kernal they are going to use. They may be looking at the Solaris kernal. This new OS is 2 years away. Brian (Wang's): I don't know how hard it is to program for it. rusty: We have to see how it plays out. We still don't have specific info on the new OS, other than what is in NeXT today. We need to know what parts of the MacOS they will add to it. Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Any comments on 7.6? Anyone mess with it? SpiderChris: brian, openstep, from everything i hear, is a great environment to develop for. Brian (Wang's): It sounds like apple is going to come out with a nice version of macos this summer. rusty: we have not installed it here yet, there doesn't seem to be any compelling reason to do so. Brian (Wang's): What about OT1.1.2? Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: I usually wait until someone else finds most of the bugs. rusty: 7.7 ( w/ new finder and Java ) is worth an upgrade. SpiderChris: there's nothing in 7.6 that really effcts our software. OT 1.1.2, but that's been out for a couple months now. Brian (Wang's): With all the web support you guys are building in are you going to get away from telefinder client? Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Have you guys tested your server software with the new MacWeek Benchmark rusty: Id like to do that, we need an NT box to run it tho. rusty: our pc's all run w95 Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Well if everyone is running browsers eventually it does make everything universal and it would keep the PC guys from complaining about your client GPFing. They would be complaining about Explorer GPFing instead. Brian (Wang's): You guys might like this. I had a guy in the field that needed to get to his telefinder mail and he didn't have telefinder but he had a term program so I told him how to log in with tty and it worked great. It allowed me to help someone who would have been stuck using most other systems. rusty: :) -- the TF Client wont' go away, but there is a lot of demand to make more of the services web based. rusty: cool! rusty: have modem will travel Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Our HP terminals can get TF mail as well over the network Brian (Wang's): It's nice having options web, client, term. Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Maybe in a few weeks we will have a prototype catalog (searchable) via the web thanks to you guys. rusty: It will be real nice when the Internet crashes this Fall. ( You heard it here first ! ) Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Increased overload from all the web serving TFBBSes no doubt rusty: well time to wrap up for today. rusty: any last q's before we go? Brian (Wang's): :( rusty: btw - I should have a server demo up today, with new web docs linked to our web site. Brian (Wang's): How was the show? Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: You guys keep up the good work and we will keep saying good things. I appreciate all of you. Thanks and see you next week! SpiderChris: brian, pretty good.... lots of buzz about the new Mac/Next OS, and BeOS.... SpiderChris: bye, see y'all! Chas.: next week... Brian (Wang's): bye rusty: check out www.spiderisland.com/docs/ tonite or this weekend, they'll include URL Mapping, Externals and so on. rusty: ybye SpiderJose: bye, brian and bob! Brian (Wang's): bye