Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Hey Guys! Be right back Spider Hosey: Howdy Everyone! JimSmith-CMUG: Hi all SpiderChris: greetings all Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Hey! JimSmith-CMUG: I would like to set up a internet connection for email only, I know I need a domain name.. My ISP ask what type ?? is this POP3 and a drop/mail box. rusty: You want to use SMTP JimSmith-CMUG: ok. next ? how do you control which is the "Gateway" connection? JimSmith-CMUG: NODE that is. rusty: It's the first one to open. -- but that has nothing to do with SMTP or POP3 rusty: It's used for server to server exhanges rusty: Bob, thanks for the letters! I think we'll use something from the Wangs TF quotes. Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Good deal, glad to help. JimSmith-CMUG: What I am trying to do is use my regular voice phone for dial up PPP connection. Bob Wright: Chris: today when using the TF Client, I had an email open with a URL I wanted to keep. When I hilited the URL and chose copy, it jumped me down the end of the email. :/ rusty: A temp connection is very difficult to use for SMTP Bob Wright: version 5.5b18, btw SpiderChris: hmmm... okay Bob W, i'll see if i can duplicate that... rusty: SMTP typically relies on a permanent connection SpiderChris: Bob W, choosing coyp from the paste menu, or command c? Bob Wright: Chris: choosing copy from the edit menu Bob Wright: The email was +25k in size rusty: Bringing TCP up and down via PPP is a little tricky, but OT PPP has some scripts you can try to use.. rusty: There are a lot of steps, to scheduling the exchnges. JimSmith-CMUG: I have some script for FreePPP I have been using, I think they are working OK. Bob Wright: Rusty: did you look into fixing the situation where if you connect via www to a conference which is empty you wont be able to post? rusty: I'l get the directions and post them to our FAQ on the web. rusty: w/ 5.5 you don't need to rely on the Gateway node, you can tell a node to go offline by its name ( prefs file name ) rusty: You can write an AppleScript to do that. rusty: and also bring it online. JimSmith-CMUG: BTW have you changed the AppleEvent for the nodes lately, adding the name? rusty: yes, the Dictionary is in the file rusty: I don;t have anything written up on it yet, so you'll need to look at the dictionar. Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Rusty, I looked at that site you suggested last week and was impressed with their use of .fcgi. Is there a chance that something like that will be available to us? Think they would share? JimSmith-CMUG: I had to change my script, works better, I think. rusty: I would think so, send some emal to their web master ( aaron ) Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Thanks Bob Wright: Rusty: did you look into fixing the situation where if you connect via www to a conference which is empty you wont be able to post? rusty: I didn't try that yet. rusty: we'll have b23 online soo rusty: soon rusty: It has a couple new features that are real nice rusty: - more support for W* plug-ins rusty: ( it emualates some of hte Web* specific items ) Bob Wright: well, I frequently throw out old messages in our conferene, often leaving the folder empty, if you connect to the empty folder wont be able to post Bob Wright: can you look into that? rusty: The server also supports a "Start-Up Nodes" folder. rusty: It will automatically open any Node settings file you put in their. rusty: there SpiderChris: Bob W, yeah we'll look into that.... rusty: And a "start.config" file so that TF can automatically open User Manager and Mail Server. Bob Wright: Chris: thanks.... I am sure the dir.spml file jut needs to be "overhauled" rusty: The result is that just opening TFServer will bring the _whole_ system online. JimSmith-CMUG: ALL RIGHT, rusty... rusty: We've re-org'd some of the file locations too. rusty: All config files now go into the Config folder ( including mail server.config, and modem setups ) rusty: The log files folder has sub-folders for each nodes log files Bob Wright: I have about 75 conference areas and about 50 of them are not useable via www due to the lack of posting :) rusty: The web server log, cal stats, xfr stats, newusers all go into the log files folder too. rusty: Bob, for the time being, I'd post an Introductory "rules of this topic" message to each one, and leave it there even when you clean out the topic. rusty: start.config entries look like this: rusty: strt :Mail Server Ä:Mail Server rusty: You enter strtpath Bob Wright: Rusty: I know I could do that, but the conference area is open for ANY subject. I would still have the suatin of everyone psting under one subject Bob Wright: suatin = situation Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: You might find it easier to go with the flow. People are hard to organize. rusty: TFServer will launch anything you put in there. rusty: If you use a partial path (start with : ) rusty: then tf looks for it starting from it's location rusty: other wise enter the full paht including disk name Bob Wright: go with the flow? rusty: This way you can have TF start up Suzie, MaxTX, or any other program you wnat running with TF. JimSmith-CMUG: Bob, when you clean out the conf. do you have to delete each message? Bob Wright: jim: yes Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: You may be trying to over organize. Just a suggestion usually your users are telling you what they prefer. rusty: We'll take a look to see why the web can't post to a empty topic Bob Wright: The conferences are named for what they do: i.e. High School News. I dont put a message ithere saying "This area is for high school discussin ht wuld be redundant Bob Wright: typing sucks today ;) JimSmith-CMUG: Bob, Rusty, It would be nice if 1st(info.) message would not be deleted by "Trim". Bob Wright: or I have a conference area for each school called homeowrk. Why post "this area is for posting homeowrk?" ;-) SpiderChris: Jim, Mail Server will never never delete the first message... since it works by a count, not by date.... SpiderChris: oops.... SpiderChris: nevermind, i misunderstood.... SpiderChris: i get it now... always keep the first message? hmmm... perhaps. Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: One of the old bbs systems I use to run had title pages that you could set up or not for each conference. Bob Wright: for that mistake you have to ride your bike for a week ;) SpiderChris: yeah, right ;-) JimSmith-CMUG: Chris, an option(?) SpiderChris: Jim, it's no an option right now.... perhaps it something that we could add rusty: Maybe we need to have a "keep first message" flag in the topcis or something Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Would be cool. Would let you keep your topic info if you wanted to. rusty: Bob, why do you clean the Topics manually? Why not set a max messages and let the Topics scroll htemselves? Bob Wright: but the "first message" isnt exactly ideal: consider a homework area with 40 teachers posting to it. I want to join this conference and find the posting from the teacher without searching for the post in ONE topic Bob Wright: I should be able to post to a conference whether its full or empty, imho :) Bob Wright: and I am not complaining.....I think TF is GREAT :-) rusty: Yes, it should do that, just like TF User is able too. Bob Wright: :) Bob Wright: I have another q: rusty: gfi rusty: ( go for it :) Bob Wright: often times at the top of my www pages, it says: contents of xxxxx but almost always t does ot what the xxx is? Bob Wright: does ot = does not Bob Wright: its just blank..... rusty: it's blank if it's the top level of a "mapped" directory rusty: or any other "root" Bob Wright: well, most of my folders for the www are inside of others so that isnot "root" right? rusty: are they "mapped" by directory mapping? Bob Wright: oh, top level of a mapped directory.......so it wont give the name of a root directory or how can a name be added? Bob Wright: yep rusty: it's a problem I don;t have a solution for yet Bob Wright: one last q, promise ;) Bob Wright: is there anyway to keep the cache in memeyeven though I click OK to the web settings? Bob Wright: memey = memory Bob Wright: sometimes I just want to mak amal cang, bunot lose my cache Bob Wright: make a small change ;) Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Preload the cache after bootup? rusty: not yet Bob Wright: ok :) rusty: at some point we want the settings to act more independently Bob Wright: you can save cache? rusty: but that will require careful synchronization of the web threads rusty: the best way to sync them is to wait for them all to stop Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: I still spend all of my cache :-) Bob Wright: how is the scsi gonig on the 8100? rusty: It's better to let the cache fill itself Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Got time for a Dumb Hardware Question? JimSmith-CMUG: BTW a local Mac BBS that started in late 84 shut down last month, it was a FC not on the internet. Bob Wright: jim: :( Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: I have SCSI bus 0: and 1: built into the machine. If I add a card should I make it 2: It comes with a default of 7. Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Manuals confuse me. No that not it, the writers of manual confuse me. rusty: :) rusty: I think each bus can support devices 0-7 rusty: 0 is usually the CPU Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Bob - While my system is up I am still having trouble. It hangs during tape backup. Can't get it to back up and the drive works fine on other machines. Tried switching OS, cables etc. Adding a SCSI card for it by itself. Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: I feel naked without my daily backup. Bob Wright: BOb N: I have not yet been able to get the tape backup to work. I thought it was me Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: I think it is the dual bus machines and OS7.6 Bob Wright: I spent about one hour one day playing with the tape back up and when it did not work I just thought "time to read the manual" ;) Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Nope correction I am on 7.5.5 and still have the problem. Lets say it is the dual bus. rusty: Our tape runs off a separate Mac and uses Restrospect Remote for BU Bob Wright: I have 7.5.5 Bob Wright: Retrospce Remote never saw my tape backup Bob Wright: manual said the tape back up "will be auto detected" Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: I may end up with my running remote. The Quadra would handle it. rusty: we have it on a 610 Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Do you have CDs running on bus 1:? Bob Wright: it must be a scsi conflict as you suggest Bob Wright: you are going to move the tape back up, Bob N? JimSmith-CMUG: I backup on tape using Remote Retrospect without problem. It runs diferent maching than server. Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: I am installing a separate SCSI card to see if that fixes it. Don't want to run appleshare Bob Wright: CD ROM works....I am usinf scsi bus default for cd rom JimSmith-CMUG: I do get a few errors on the compare, file changed. Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Jim - probably users online posting etc. Normal. Bob Wright: all of my scsi devices -- four of them -- work except the tape back up JimSmith-CMUG: I dont think Retrospect uses appleshare. Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: I have trouble with Sony CD players, NECs work fine. the tape device is Sony. rusty: The Tapes SCSI is probably slightly out of, or nearly out of spec. rusty: The dual SCSi needs tighter tolerances, and will run into problems with out of spec devices. Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Makes sense to me. I hope the card I bought fixes it. rusty: You should run it off a single SCSI amc, or get a new tape drive that works correctly. Bob Wright: Bob N: did you get the workgroup server? I have whatever apple shipped rusty: Any last Q's before we shut down for today? Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: No I bought a Radius refurb from CRA. Heavy unit with big power supply. I could use my old cards and memory. Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Jim, I have yet to put up the latest Lollipop beta that now sends your messages up. Will do it this weekend. Am very happy with what I am using it now. It has one main feature "it works". Thanks for your efforts JimSmith-CMUG: Are changes above in todays release? rusty: Look for an announce later today, or Mondya about b23 being available. JimSmith-CMUG: Lollipop now post messages. rusty: Bob, has John Aagapitos emailed you about the crashes he's getting in TF when Lolli runs? Bob Wright: Bob N: lollipop works with 7.6? JimSmith-CMUG: YES>>> test under 7.6.1 rusty: I mean Jim, :) Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Yes it does was usning 7.6.1 . I occasionally crash as well. Works most of the time though. Haven't heard from the guy though. JimSmith-CMUG: and latest MacOS OT fixes Bob Wright: well, time to head to a tennis ma ve a good weekend everyone! Bob Wright: ma = match rusty: He's getting a crash whenver Lolli runs, but he has not been able to get a good stdlog yet. JimSmith-CMUG: Have a nice one:) rusty: It looks like something in the file system. Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: I will see if I can catch another log. I though tI sent you one. Now Jim if you could schedule different groups to be pulled at different times. JimSmith-CMUG: It can be done with dif. Group Files Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: I had thought about that will see if I can make it work with a script. Bob Nunn Ą Headgap: Got to go. Bye! and thanks!